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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:23 am
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[quote="oneal lane"]First of all thanks to everyone for the imput. My understanding is a little deeper now:


2. The blues deluxe and HRDL are both capable of extremely high volume.


No my friend, 40 watts IS a lot of power, The Blues Deluxe and HRDlx are forty watt amps and are no louder than any other 40 watt amp. Actually, my 20 watt Egnater and the DRRI can cut a mix way better than either of these two amps and are built light years better. I also have a 100 watt 76 SF Twin Reverb. Talk about loud. :wink:

http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm


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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:02 am
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Ipso facto, 40 watts is powerful so the amp is powerful.


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I'm not sure if they still make it but Marshall used to have an attenuator called the "Power Brake". That one is not advisable as it tended to color the sound significantly. Better would be the THD Hot-Plate. It still colors the sound a little but not nearly as much. The thing with the THD models is that you have to select which impedance you are going to purchase and they are not flexible in that regard should your rig grow.

http://www.thdelectronics.com/product_page_hotplate.html

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:25 am
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I am studying the attenuator situation and reading that attenuator stress the amp and can blow out tubes or powerpacks.

Has anyone here had that experience?


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I am studying the attenuator situation and reading that attenuator stress the amp and can blow out tubes or powerpacks.

Has anyone here had that experience?


Keep up the research and see if you don't conclude the following:
An attenuator will not in of itself cause damage. It will allow you to crank up the volume of the amp (and not sense that the output has been maxed) to the point that sustained, continual use at that level accelerates wear and tear to the same level that would occur if there were no attenuator in the circuit and the amp is maxed. Difference is that you wouldn't likely do it without the attenuator because you'd go deaf and it would not likely be the sweet spot anyway! :shock:

An attenuator is meant to be used in a more moderate fashion. First raise the volume without the attenuator to find the sweet spot. It will be too loud, but probably not max. Then use the attenuator to bring the volume to an acceptable level. Just don't dime the amp and then try to bring the level down to an acceptable level.

Think of it this way. An attenuator produces a variable load on the amp which replicates the same type of load caused by a speaker (not just resistance, but reactance also). Rather than convert the energy to sound waves as a speaker does, it converts it into heat. Your amp doesn't know the difference as long as you don't keep it enclosed within the back of the combo and not allow the additional heat to escape.

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You will wear out power tubes more quickly if you crank your amp and use an attenuator. Fact is, if you crank you amp you'll wear them out quicker anyway. That's why I like my 74 SF Champ. Great tone at way less than ear splitting levels. 20 watts is loud. 40 watts is not twice as loud as 20 watts. When you turn a HRDlx past 4 or 5 the tone gets all farty and nasty anyway.


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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:00 pm
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Well I sure do not intend to run this thing at a ear splitting level, as I already have a lot of hearing damage and am constantly warning guitarists to turn it down or wear plugs.

I was unaware of this problem and no salesman mentioned it.

Now, to be quite honest, I am disapointed with the amp it even before it arrives to the store.


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63supro wrote:
You will wear out power tubes more quickly if you crank your amp and use an attenuator. Fact is, if you crank you amp you'll wear them out quicker anyway. That's why I like my 74 SF Champ. Great tone at way less than ear splitting levels. 20 watts is loud. 40 watts is not twice as loud as 20 watts. When you turn a HRDlx past 4 or 5 the tone gets all farty and nasty anyway.


I am of the same school. I used to have the 65 and 100 watt amps when I was younger. I now play exclusively through 15 watt amps. I love my Super Champ XD(Sorry Superpro) and Blues Jr. If I need more volume, then I just mic them. Hope that this helps.
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Makes no difference. No one ever said you have to like what I like and vice versa. As long as it works for you that's all that counts. When you buy an amp consider what you'll need it for. Today, there is really no reason to go beyond 20-30 watts tops unless you plan on being on really large stages.


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I don't think that these are going to give you the sound that you want. An attenuator like a hot plate or a weber lets you drive the power tubes without getting too loud. These will not. Good luck though....


http://cgi.ebay.com/TUBE-AMP-VOLUME-BOX ... 1e5b12370c

http://cgi.ebay.com/Deluxe-VOLUME-BOX-f ... 1e5b12341e


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Post subject: silple way of lowering blues deluxe tone
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:05 am
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no need of an attenuator or a hot plate, just use a boSs ME 50 which is no preamp you just have to adapt master volume and use your volume pedal
I generalLy play at a volume 3,5 AND thanks to this ,I can adapt my volume and benefit from all the other sounds of me 50


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