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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:21 pm
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sound/tone is as personal as opinions on religion and politics. dont like the scxd cool...do like the scxd cool...i like mine ,it fit MY bill..and apparently it fit boffers bill too...moral of the story is...there isnt an amp made that fits everybodys use. we just try different ones and buy the ones we like and enjoy them for as long as we can.


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sound/tone is as personal as opinions on religion and politics. dont like the scxd cool...do like the scxd cool...i like mine ,it fit MY bill..and apparently it fit boffers bill too...moral of the story is...there isnt an amp made that fits everybodys use. we just try different ones and buy the ones we like and enjoy them for as long as we can.


I agree 100%. But comparing the SCXD to the amps it models and saying it's close is a little misleading to a new player. That's what's bugging me a little. The effects on the SCXD have preset parameters that don't allow much experimentation. Also it has "amp voicing's" that to me sound more like my GDec 30 voicing's than anything else. I've owned many Fender Blackface and Silver Face amps a well as a tweed or two.

It does in fact come down to what's good to the individual player. The OP was looking for advice and opinions which is what he received. The SCXD IMO is not a great amp but not a bad amp either. It's just okay.


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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:42 pm
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I have two friends that I helped learn guitar. Both started out with Line 6 spyders. As they grew as players and listened to my tube amps (simple: clean, with reverb), they both said: that's what I wanted; I just didn't know it back when I bought this.

I think Supro's exposure comment has a lot of validity. My first foray into tubes was an epiphone valve junior, which I adored for its tone, simplicity, reponsiveness, etc. That was almost 2 years ago. I've since traded the EVJ in (plus my Line 6 flextone II) towards my DRRI. I owned a SCXD, briefly (stated in other posts that the lack of parameter adjustment for the effects makes them useless - to me - and that, because the "models" didn't clean up with volume/pick attack, they contradicted the attractiveness of a tube amp), as well as a Blues Junior (liked it, just decided to use it to "trade up"). I realized that I missed the simplicity/tone of my valve junior and decided to buy another one. I think my propensity towards Fenders has soured me on the EVJ, because now it sounds so dark and unarticulated to my ears. I think that part of this is due to the fact that I've become so accustomed to the bright, clear tones of my Fenders.

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63supro wrote:
My comments were not meant to insult John. I saw his website and he is in a band that seems to be very successful in the wedding/event industry among other things and he has my total respect as a musician as I respect everyone who picks up an instrument and expresses him/her self. I'm just too set in my old ways to deal with whole digital effect and modeling thing. I can hear it as soon as I walk into a club. I can also tell if the guitarists are usinga HRD Deluxe, DeVille or a Blues Deluxe and especially a Blues Jr. The tone just grates on me. Huge pedal boards and tons of overused effects bother me too. I can tell if the amp is solid state too by the way it cuts the mix or not.

budglo, I'm only a few years older than you but I started playing when I was around 11 years old. LOL I used to play weddings and parties as a kid. Lots of fun. The 70's and 80's were the big years with big venues and opening acts at festivals, then wife, and family commitments slowed it all down. I just decided to get back into playing out again but on a much smaller scale. It's just too much fun not to. I play in a couple of part time blues bands now and I'll see how it all works out.
Supro,thats really cool that you quit for a while and got back in it.I have always wanted to play and finally decided to give it a go when I was in my 30s.I was always a late bloomer.Took me almost 5 years until I felt confident enough to seek out some guys to play with.I can imagine to play at really large venues takes alot of commitment on your part.Just getting good enough to play anywhere takes alot of personal practice and rehearsal time.It takes an understanding family too.Then there is the ability to find guys you gel with .I have moved around a bit in the last few years ,so I had to start from scratch again.We have had some small gigs plus I get out to some blues jams at least 2 times a month.Thats what I really like ,but around here blues bands arent in a high demand right now.Cover and tribute bands are ,but there are alot of them.


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budglo,
There's a lot of cover and tribute bands here too. But there's also a large blues community here in Phila, Pa. I never stopped playing. I just stopped playing out. It's not really how good you were playing the bigger venues way back. It was all politics and who you knew in the music management business. I know a lot of bands who would "pay to play" and even now I know a young guy in a metal band who's in a deal where the band has to sell the tickets and the most tickets gets the best spot later in the evening. You're competing with something like 8-10 bands. If you don't sell a minimum amount of tickets, you don't play. It has nothing to do with how good you are, it's basically how many friends you have. You bring money in and play for exposure LOL. You don't get payed. Not me, you can go to any open mic night and play for exposure.


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Hey Supro, no insult taken. I completely respect your opinion. I share your opinion on digital processors to a degree. I can tell when someone is using the Line 6 stuff. It sounds okay but for guitar it just doesn't have that authentic sound. Our bass player uses a Line 6 Bass amp and that actually sounds good. I don't use the digital effects, I just use channel 1 with a pedalboard to try and get the sound for the song. I realize the pre-amp section is all DSP but the power section is tube and to my ears sounds great. I have a Traynor YCV50 Blue that I use for practice. I really miss my Fender Bassman 50-watt head. It seemed like that could make any cabinet sound good. But when it comes to the total package, the SCXD really works great. I get great tones and it is small and light and easy to transport. We always mic everything and try to keep stage volume down. Our drummer plays electronic drums and we use In Ear Monitors, they took some getting used to but if you have a good board and can get individual mixes it really is great. The loudest thing about our band is the horn section. We do have 2 other guitaists but one plays acoustic a lot and the other plays a lot of keyboard as well. They use a Mesa Bogie Lonestar combo and the other uses a Traynor YCV40WR.

So bottom line, I took no insult. I was just trying to re-assure the original poster that his choice in amps was a good one in my opinion and that he can have confidence that it will work in many different situations.


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Thanks John, you are a true professional.


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To each his/her own is a good saying for a reason - tastes/opinions are like noses -- we all have one.

I think what may be a better discussion instead of the best amp is what's the best amp for:

- a beginner, under $300
- accomplished player, under $300

helps to clarify what people should or shouldn't be getting.

I haven't played a XD so can't comment on the sound, but I do remember that after I had a total rack setup in the early 90's for home/live sound, I wanted a simple practice amp. The tweed Bronco wasn't the best amp available, but for the price it did OK for practice. Tried to use it at one show in Palo Alto at Fanny's & Nanny's and it was way too quiet. (no extra mics in PA). I've kept upgrading throughout the years, and now I look for amps with different tonal qualities - I've got Fender clean covered, now it's time for a good EL84 amp. But what works for me may not work for others.

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My first amp was a Danelectro DM10. I wish I still had that amp. I had a loy of little weirdies throughout the years, Silvertones, a Valco, wish I still had that too. Played out of a Heathkit once. Really horrible. Fender were my mainstay amps. Now it's Egnater. I may build one for myself sometime in the future who knows.

I played an SCXD and a friend of mine has one. I can't stand the boxiness and the effects are annoying. It is all a matter of taste. Some people turn the mids all the way down. You can't cut a mix very well when you do that unless you crank the snot out of the amp, but some folks love the sound.


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I have been playing about thirty years and last year played to a crowd of about 75,000 people at one show. The amp I used was my SCXD. You made a good choice. I have had lots of amps over the years, Marshalls, Fenders, Traynors, Vox's, and if you close your eyes and do a blind ear test, the SCXD will be the equal of just about any amp. And I have not modified mine at all. It is completely stock. If you were gigging with it I would recommend a replacement set of tubes, although I still have the originals in mine and it is close to 2 years old. Good luck with your amp and guitar. Have fun.


I just switched to a Hot Rod Deluxe after years of multi-effects through a Peavey. I am now playing blues/SRV/Hendrix. I still have time to take my HRD back. it was the first Fender tube amp I played and thought it sounded good. What would you suggest for the tones I mentioned, and why is everyone down on the HRD? I'm new to Fender amps, so would like to know. Thanks.


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I have been playing about thirty years and last year played to a crowd of about 75,000 people at one show. The amp I used was my SCXD. You made a good choice. I have had lots of amps over the years, Marshalls, Fenders, Traynors, Vox's, and if you close your eyes and do a blind ear test, the SCXD will be the equal of just about any amp. And I have not modified mine at all. It is completely stock. If you were gigging with it I would recommend a replacement set of tubes, although I still have the originals in mine and it is close to 2 years old. Good luck with your amp and guitar. Have fun.


I just switched to a Hot Rod Deluxe after years of multi-effects through a Peavey. I am now playing blues/SRV/Hendrix. I still have time to take my HRD back. it was the first Fender tube amp I played and thought it sounded good. What would you suggest for the tones I mentioned, and why is everyone down on the HRD? I'm new to Fender amps, so would like to know. Thanks.
If you have never really played a decent tube amp , a hr sounds good.Its inexpensive for what it is( a 40 watt tube amp).There are some reliability issues related to these amps.Its a crap shoot really.If I were you , I would look at the deluxe reverb ri,peavey classic or I would be willing to bet the egnater can put out some marshall like tones.Dont forget Hendrix used marshalls alot and SRV used among other things Fender super reverbs , vibroverbs,twins and bassmans,but he also used dumbles too.If it were me , I would go to a sam ash and play a deluxe reverb, a peavey classic 30 and an egnater.I would be willing to bet they or GC will have all of those in stock.Really A/B the deluxe reverb and the hot rod and see if the hotrod sound is really what you are looking for.JMO.


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I'd seriously look at the DRRI the Peavey Classic and I tried Marshall Haze and it too was really nice.

Sam Ash doesn't sell Egnater only GC locally. If you really want to get juiced, try the Egnater Renegade. I'm a recent convert to the brotherhood of the Egnater. It can do a lot of similar tones from Vox and Fender tweed like to serious high gain and takes pedals well even though I get everything I want without pedals.


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63supro wrote:
My first amp was a Danelectro DM10. I wish I still had that amp. I had a loy of little weirdies throughout the years, Silvertones, a Valco, wish I still had that too. Played out of a Heathkit once. Really horrible. Fender were my mainstay amps. Now it's Egnater. I may build one for myself sometime in the future who knows.

I played an SCXD and a friend of mine has one. I can't stand the boxiness and the effects are annoying. It is all a matter of taste. Some people turn the mids all the way down. You can't cut a mix very well when you do that unless you crank the snot out of the amp, but some folks love the sound.


Super,
If people are taking offense to your posts it is their thin skin. We had discussed things in the past and never once did you direct anything negative to or about me. You feel strongly about your choices and to me that is fine. I respect your opinions in many things. The SCXD is to me a great amp for my style as we have discussed in the past. If others get upset because you don't like it well...I feel bad for them because you have always been a gentleman and professional in any disagreements we have had.
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Thanks so much for the kind words. My comments are never meant to attack someone personally. I look at it this way, it's only a piece of equipment. Not a person. It has no bearing whatsoever on your talents. I find skill in all musicians beginners to professionals. Musical expression is what counts. Determination is something to be respected no matter what the end result is technically. Tone to me is secondary compared to your equipments reliability. Nothing is more embarrassing to me than having an amp fail on stage.
airbornestrat, it's a privilege for me to be a part of such a great community with intelligent people such as yourself, budglo, nedorama, jgauker, CC, Miami Mike, Chet and so many others of all ages and skill levels. Thank you all. :D

Bottom line is, if it works for you and you're happy, that's all that counts. Never take any of my comments on a personal level.


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tjinca1,

The HRD just seems to be harsh sounding when compared to other tube amps. They also have had some reliability issues. In Fenders defense, everyone that I know that has an HRD and had a problem, Fender fixed it at no charge. The lead guitarist in my band used to use an HRD, it was one of them that needed repair, and it was just way too loud. The volume knob was almost nothing below 2 and at 2 it became extremely loud. To be honest the HRD doesn't start to sound decent until the volume knob hits 4 and after. That just didn't work with our band. We have been trying to lower stage volume, we play a lot of weddings and corporate events and volume is an issue. So the HRD just didn't work in our situation. He switched to a Traynor YCV40WR and he can get great tone at lower volume.

Back to your question, HRDs can be modified but by then you have spent enough money to just have already bought a DRRI or Princeton and they sopund great out of the box. The Peavy Classic is also a great sounding amp out of the box that cost less than the HRD. So moneywise you can get a better sounding amp than the HRD. But your ears are what you should use to judge. Everyone sounds different when playing the exact same equipment and maybe the HRD is perfect for you. But you might have to take your amp back to be serviced.


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