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Post subject: What would you recommend?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:07 am
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Hi,
I currently have a cornford hellcat but i'm thinking about getting a new amp. The cornford is a fantastic amp but i'm missing the fender clean tone in my life i think. At recent gig no matter what i do boost pedals using the volume on the guitar people say when i'm on channel 2 (modern gain) just doesn't seem to cut through the mix. It seems to be heavily compressed.

So i'm after a bit of advice really and what i should go and try out in the Fender range.
I'm in functions bands and original band so the mix of music is vast. Jazz, funk, rock, pop seem to the be the extent.
I need an amp that will cut through the mix when soloing. Could have just 2 channels and i could use a boost pedal on top. I would like a bit of modern gain.... sound like John Frusciante? so not death metal but enough to get me by.

What do you think? I have tried the fender deluxe but not enough gain... could use a boost/gain pedal....


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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:15 am
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My band plays quite a few different styles as well, from a more twangy version of the stones "all over now" to searing rock.

For versatility, you want to get a clean, clean amp and then add pedals - if you don't have good clean to start with, you'll never get there. A Deluxe Reverb does Fender clean really well, and takes all kinds of pedals well.

Build a pedalboard with good George L's cable, add some true bypass loops to switch off groups of noisy effects when you're not using them, and you should be good to go. I've got a loop with an old analog delay and another with a Phase 90, Chorus and a Digital Delay. When they're not on, they're totally out of the signal path, which also reduces noise and helps you cut through the mix.

On cutting through - you may have too much distortion/gain in your tone. If you listen to AC/DC or Led Zep, there's not that much distortion - much more on the volume. The Cornford is a great amp, but I'm not familiar with its tone. My advice would be to try getting your crunch sound down to where you like it, and then roll off some of the gain - a little can go a long way.

Some of the pedals I've found that helped me:
- Dunlop wah, modded by Keeley - true bypass, Fasel inductor, and it kicks in a boost when engaged that helps it cut through better than a stock one.
- Keeley compressor - great for smoothing out tone, both on clean, crunch and solo.
- Timmy pedal - boutique transparent overdrive pedal that just adds more of your amp. Have mine barely on to add some grit to my very clean Bandmaster. Could play all night with just this and by rolling up/down the volume.
- Barber Electronics Direct Drive - my favorite overdrive pedal. Love how this sounds, but only have the drive at 10:00.
- Keeley Katana Boost - very clean boost that hits the amp hard and makes it louder but more saturated. Lets me solo in clean, slight dirt, or full crunch.

Hope this helps. Most fenders won't have the 2 channels, but with a well set-up pedalboard, you can have many more options.

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:24 am
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What do you think? I have tried the fender deluxe but not enough gain...


Try a Twin Reverb :wink:


http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0217300000

and if needed a Maxon TOD-9 True Tube Overdrive.

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:30 am
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are you playing live in clubs where the amp is mic'd, or not? Makes a difference in what amp to get.

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:07 am
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the amp is sometimes mic'd up.


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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:23 am
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Sometimes makes it tough, as the Deluxe is usually loud enough in small clubs without a mic, but depending on the music...

I still think with a Deluxe you should be able to get your Fender Clean and then with the right pedals get your other tone. A Twin is a great amp, but very loud and very heavy.

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:06 am
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thank you. just checking out some youtube vids of the deluxe reverb. Whats the main difference between and fender deluxe and fender deluxe reverb. Both have reverb.... i know the deluxe has 2 channels one with a boost button.... in terms of sounds?


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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:29 am
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do you mean the Fender Deluxe VM vs. the Deluxe Reverb?

The VM series features onboard effects; I think you'd be much better off with the Deluxe Reverb. Doesn't have as many features, but the ones it does it does very well.

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Post subject: Re: What would you recommend?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:40 am
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Miami Mike wrote:
dean111music wrote:

What do you think? I have tried the fender deluxe but not enough gain...


Try a Twin Reverb :wink:


http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0217300000

and if needed a Maxon TOD-9 True Tube Overdrive.
Ouch,makes my ears hurt just thinking about it.Seriously though,its all in the pedal selection.I have the Deluxe Reverb and it is da bomb as far as I am concerned.


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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:44 pm
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+1 on the Deluxe Reverb. I have a 74 Twin and it's way too loud for small clubs and way too heavy. Currently I'm using an Egnater Rebel 20. It's one of the best amps I've ever owned for what I do.
The Deluxe Reverb is a great amp. I'd steer clear of the VM (Vintage Molested) Series and the Hot Rod Series. The VM's sound too gimmicky to my ears and a bit too digital. I won't get started on the Hot Rod series.


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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:38 pm
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hi, thanks for your input... i did mean i have player the hot rod deluxe! Sorry my thought! So you do not rate the hot rod deluxe? My other guitarist uses it... i think the great thing about the amp is it cuts through everything. The clean sound is fender so it's good but the other channels do not sound good to my ears....

What about the fender twin reverb? Whats your thought on that compared with the deluxe reverb?


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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:04 pm
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Dean, I've had lots of Fender amps over the years and I still have a 76 Twin. Like I said, it's too loud and heavy for many applications. The DRRI is a great gigging amp. I had a HRDlx and it was THE most unreliable amp I've ever owned. I always had a problem cutting the mix. The drive and more drive channels were horrible. The HRD series are not the real Fender clean that I'm used to.

The Twin stays clean way up the dial. It's a terrific amp, but I no longer play big venues or festivals anymore. That's why I bought the Egnater. Isold the HRDlx and put the money towards a more versatile amp.


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dean111music wrote:
hi, thanks for your input... i did mean i have player the hot rod deluxe! Sorry my thought! So you do not rate the hot rod deluxe? My other guitarist uses it... i think the great thing about the amp is it cuts through everything. The clean sound is fender so it's good but the other channels do not sound good to my ears....

What about the fender twin reverb? Whats your thought on that compared with the deluxe reverb?
I have a blues deluxe and the deluxe reverb will smoke it any day .It is alot warmer toned than the blues deluxe.The clean of the drri ARE the Fender clean that everyone knows.The reverb is way better.Like Supro said, its a really reliable amp and it cuts thru the mix really good.I have gigged several times with mine already and it sounds alot better than my Blues Deluxe does.I probably will sell my blues deluxe.I am actually playing the drri in place of all of my other amps.I have a 59 bassman ri that I havent gigged with since buying the drri because its lighter and loud enough.I know the drri is more money than the hrdx, but its well worth it.If you can afford the extra money I would definately consider it heavily.


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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:27 am
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ok i'll seriously look into it. it's definaltley this one we are talking about? http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0217400000

1x12 speaker is not what i'm used too.... i'm really hoping it will cut through the mix. So has it got an effects loop? one last question... what effcts should you put through the effects loop and which ones shouldn't?


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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:30 am
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my local store do not have the reverb deluxe... they just have this http://www.guitarvillage.co.uk/product- ... tts%2C+New

worth trying?


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