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Post subject: Twin Reverb too loud!
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:17 am
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I've had the Twin Reverb Rl for a while now and was wondering how could i reduce the volume but still get a good tone.


I heard about:

Getting a attenuator
Unplugging a speaker
Pulling out 2 tubes

So i'm asking what method would be the most effective and/or easy.

Twin Reverb Rl: http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0217300000
American Deluxe Stratocaster: http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0101202700

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:53 am
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Twin Reverb = LOUD amp.

Yeah, you could pull two tubes and it would run on half power. Or you could unplug a speaker so it was less efficient, and less loud. Both methods will give you an impedance mismatch but not beyond what a twin can handle. More importantly tho neither trick will make you amp much quieter. Doubling the wattage of an amp only increases the apparent volume by 2-3 decibels, not much at all. So halving the power wont drop much volume. I have a 40 watt Vibroverb and that's still a LOUD amp.

You could attenuate, that'll get you some quiet, or sell it and get a 22 watt deluxe reverb?

The simple and cheap option is to drop your pre-amp gain by substituting 12AY7 tubes in V1 and V2, or whichever one you use. That will drop your volume by roughly as much as pulling two power tubes. You could even go a step further and use a 12AU7 tube, for about 20% gain, but they tend to be prone to microphonics and give a much much softer tone too, a dramatic difference.
Another option is to get Yellow Jackets or substitubes - look them up - and run a quartet of EL84 tubes for about 30watts. That can still be plenty loud tho!
You might have bought the wrong amp....

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:44 am
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Unless you use an attenuator your Twin will be loud. I rarely use mine any more. Pulling tubes or pulling a speaker will not as Nick said make you amp much less louder. IMHO It's not a healthy thing to do on the the reissues if that's what you have. Most of the caps that I've seen are Taiwanese Illinois caps. In other words, the components are not like they used to be. I wouldn't be doing some of the old tricks we used to do on a current production amp.

Also if you pull tubes or a speaker you'll loose headroom. Isn't that what a Twins all about? If it's too loud a properly rated attenuator would be the only way I'd go. I bought my Twin over 30 years ago when the PA systems were garbage and micing an amp killed your tone. Today, unless you play really big stages, you really don't need more than 20 or 30 watts. Personally, I'd save my back and hearing and get a DRRI.

This weekend I saw a band at a small local bar. It seats roughly 75 people and has a tiny stage. Didn't both the guitarists come in with Marshall half stacks LOL. They cleared the place out in a half hour. They were a bunch of older hard rock guys. They were actually decent, but painfully loud. These guy were lod enough and seasoned enough to know better. The owner of the bar told them to turn it down or leave. How do you turn down a 100 watt half stack and still sound good? You can't.


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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:01 am
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I have a similar issue. I'm thinking of buying a Twin, but I'm concerned about the loudness.

I don't like the sound of the DRRI for surf.

I currenlty have a SCXD, which sounds good, but it's not all tube.

Any other options I should consider?


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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:15 am
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I'd try a Super Reverb. I've seen lots of Surf musicians use them. Believe me when I tell you a Twin is seriously loud and not great for small to medium sized venues.


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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:51 pm
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+1 on everything Supro says!

Super Reverb - one of the great amps of all time, and not nearly as loud as a twin. 45 watts, blackface tone, lovely rich clean and that fantastic spread from the 4 x 10s. Love 'em. Perfect for surf, with the unbeatable rev. Past about 4 on the vol you start to get a sweet early breakup that a twin will just never give you - again great for surf to have a bit of crack on the note.

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Super reverb is a great amp.If you miss the shear size of the Twin,get a 75 super,it weighs about 85 lbs and comes in at 45 watts. :wink:


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Or buy a used Bandmaster head and the 1x12, 2x12, 1x15 cab of your choice.

Add a Fender tube reverb (or the new Dr. Z tube reverb), or be a surf heathen and get the Boss Fender reverb Pedal - sounds pretty good with less setup.

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:04 pm
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Anything that gets close to a Super or Twin without the weight?


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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:14 pm
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kevin_123454us wrote:
Anything that gets close to a Super or Twin without the weight?
The Deluxe Reverb maybe.From the same line.Weighs 42 lbs.Wont give you the cleans at high volumes of the twin or the fullness of the super , but a great sounding and versitile amp.


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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:51 pm
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this may be totally out in left field, but build a sound proof room to practice in, but your ears will still hurt, or build a nearly sound proof box to hold and tame the amp, I believe recording studios do that, maybe a lot more effort than you had in mind.


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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:47 am
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Not trying to be a jerk, but what's wrong with using the volume knob?


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M1A1 wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk, but what's wrong with using the volume knob?
If the volume isnt turned up to drive the tubes, it sounds like crap.Ideally you want an amp that you can really crank,otherwise it sounds like you are playing thru a transistor radio.


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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:37 am
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Has anyone tried an attenuator. I have one that I use with my Mesa Boogie V.

What impeadance does a Twin want to see 8 or 4 ohms?


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I'm running a 65 Deluxe RI (22 watt 1x12, not the twin) with an EJ Strat and AD Tele. Guess what? It's still too loud for studio and bedroom work. Yeah you can turn it down and turn down the volume on your guitars but you just don't get that cool Fender sag until it gets way up there in db's.

In fact, it is too loud for most churches and small gigs. So after some research (and sending back a THD 8 ohm Hot Plate) I have decided to give this a try:

Yellow Jackets YJ20 Triode Duet adapters with JJ EL-84 Power tubes. This ran me $118. The Triodes reportedly cut the power in half and these tubes are supposed to squat much sooner than the factory GT 6V6's. They get warmer sooner.

Also, with these adapters, there is no need for a rocket scientist to re-bias your amp after switching tubes. I will let you you know how it sounds when I get them. All revews are very positive. If you are interested, here are some links to start your research for your amp:

http://www.yellowjacketstc.com
http://www.tubesandmore.com


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