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Post subject: do you allow stock spkrs to "break in" b4 replacin
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:17 pm
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with all the talk of replacing speakers and such (myself included), i got to wondering...do most people really give the stock speaker a fair chance to prove itself?

that typical ceramic brown label eminence we find in our new fender's gets a bad rap on the streets. everyone runs to pull it out pretty quick. but how much playing time at louder volumes do these people really apply to the stock speaker before deciding to change it out?

in other words, i may have asked this before, but isn't it possible that the stock speaker also needs time to break in? maybe it doesn't get a good chance to prove its worth. you know, i got a pro jr with the stock ceramic in there, and part of me has been teasing myself with the idea of trading it out for something like a weber signature ceramic 10s, or a ragin cajun, or something...but then the other half (which may also be the frugal half) cant help but to "wait it out", because maybe there's something i dont know about what i already have. maybe its going to reward me one day (or am i dreaming?)

i've read some people actually liking the stock speaker in amps such as the Pro Jr, and various others. so maybe even though its cheaper for Fender to use, perhaps there are good valid reasons, sound and tone-wise as well for this speaker?

i don't know, i'm just thinking out loud. what do you guys think? am i on to something, or am i in the minority? i admit i haven't been "around the block" yet, and i'm young, so i know little compared to most people.


how about this? is the stock ceramic REALLY as bad as is claimed? or is it more of a matter of taste? in other words, is the stock ceramic good at what it is intended to do, which in turn isn't everyone's ideal sound?
anything you particularly like or dislike about it?


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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:31 pm
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My HRDlx's speaker had plenty of time to break in. It really doesn't take that long. The stock Eminence speaker is pretty cheap and doesn't take being pushed very well.


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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:23 am
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IMHO, 20 hrs at varied volumes is all that a speaker needs to break-in. Yeah it's a matter of taste, big-time!!! A speaker upgrade is the most noticable mod one can make to an amp. Cabinet size and construction would come in second. Tubes, capacitors, resistors, pots, and wire have a much lesser effect.(excluding any circuit changes) Just my view from here. Art

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:33 am
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Just a thought. If the Eminence Legend was any good, Fender wouldn't put Jenson and Celestion speakers in the so-called limited edition amps. In the HRD series, the tubes usually are the first to get changed out, then, if you keep the amp, the speaker gets changed out either to a higher end Eminence or something else. The stock speaker deserves all the trashing it gets. It's a shame because Eminence makes some really fine speakers.


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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:51 am
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supro, don't get me wrong. i'm quick to believe that Fender pulled one of their famous cost-cut's on the speaker. i wouldn't put it past them. but i couldn't help wondering if we could possibly be mistaken. i dont know how everyone else goes about their business, so i was curious to hear how others deal with the whole modifying thing.

actually, part of this thread was just to help myself determine where i stand on the stock speaker, and if i might find it suitable to upgrade. i've had the amp since sept. '09, gigged it a few times, and used it at rehearsal once a week since then. so maybe the speaker HAS had enough break in time? from what i'm hearing, the answer may be yes. that's just a question i wanted to answer before i got serious about upgrading.

i've been very curious about the Weber Signature series, and i'd like to hear about anyone's experience with them. if you all don't mind, i'd like to make that a separate thread.

it really upsets me to see the large sums of money that musicians pour into this company's pockets and yet they get maybe half their money's worth in return. it's all about money anymore, humanity and common decency cost too much for them to afford i guess...


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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:07 am
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Weber's are seriously nice speakers. If you look at who buys these amps, myself included, they are usually looking for something with tubes, not too expensive for the occasional gig and reliable. The HRD series has a ton of design flaws that have never been addressed. They listen more on the GDec forum than they do here. I don't gig too much anymore and got tired of lugging the Twin around. For one thing the HRDlx has a serious problem cutting a mix. My 20 watt Rebel does way better and at less volume on the dial. That is usually speaker related. If you want a better speaker from Fender, you have to get either the BS NOS or another BS Tweed or colored tolex. Why not just put a decent speaker in there to begin with?

The guy's that use these things usually don't play them loud and clean, because that's where the fault in the speaker is most apparent. Try it and you'll see.They use either the drive channel or a ton of effects and scoop the mids.

Truth be told, you do not get your money's worth with these things and it's a shame. Fender is no longer a proud one owner operation building quality equipment, it's a huge corporation looking for huge profits by moving most of it's operation to foreign countries. :?


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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:41 am
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The stock "custom eminence legend" put in some of the Fenders is rated at 2/3 the power handling of the similar named legend 125 speaker found on the Eminence site.

50watts for the Fender version, 75watts for the real eminence version.
Something was cheapened somewhere in the process.

Add up the costs of buying your amp, promptly replacing the tubes (maybe more than once), swapping speakers, any other mods made in the hopes of getting a better decent sound.
You probably have spent enough to buy a decent amp in the first place, that doesn't need any alterations..


Unfortunately we fell for this route :( new tubes, vintage 30 in extension cabs, considered swapping internal speaker for a cannibals rex.
The extension cabs will move from amp to amp, not sure I'd be willing to send more money to disappear into the amp.

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:47 am
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The stock "custom eminence legend" put in some of the Fenders is rated at 2/3 the power handling of the similar named legend 125 speaker found on the Eminence site.

50watts for the Fender version, 75watts for the real eminence version.
Something was cheapened somewhere in the process.

Add up the costs of buying your amp, promptly replacing the tubes (maybe more than once), swapping speakers, any other mods made in the hopes of getting a better decent sound.
You probably have spent enough to buy a decent amp in the first place, that doesn't need any alterations..


Exactly. That's why I stopped buying new Fender amps and switched off to Egnater. Bruce Egnater actually monitors his forum and answers questions and will help you if you need it.

I got burned on a HRDlx that was unreliable and a GDec that bought the farm too all in a very short period of time. A 5 year warranty is great, but having to actually use it every couple of months isn't.


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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:16 am
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I was quick to replace my stock 'Emminence for Fender' speaker in favour of a Celestion V30, but have occasionally wondered if I was too hasty at the time.

So having nothing better to do during a spare hour or two, I took my BJ apart and refitted the stock speaker for a re-evaluation. I hasten to add it had been well worn in before I took it out originally.

Guess what?

..yep, it's still a turkey.

Cost cutting measures, yes I don't doubt it. But how short sighted can you get? All it's doing in the case of the BJ is damaging the reputations of both Fender and Emminence. And it's turning people off what is actually a very respectable little valve amp.

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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:27 am
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adey wrote:
I was quick to replace my stock 'Emminence for Fender' speaker in favour of a Celestion V30, but have occasionally wondered if I was too hasty at the time.

So having nothing better to do during a spare hour or two, I took my BJ apart and refitted the stock speaker for a re-evaluation. I hasten to add it had been well worn in before I took it out originally.

Guess what?

..yep, it's still a turkey.

Cost cutting measures, yes I don't doubt it. But how short sighted can you get? All it's doing in the case of the BJ is damaging the reputations of both Fender and Emminence. And it's turning people off what is actually a very respectable little valve amp.


How else are they going to charge you the ridiculous prices on the HRDlx Blue, Red, Green and Tweed? The Celestion V30 is a nice speaker. I have two Celestion Elite 80 Custom speakers loaded one each in my Egnater 112 ported cabs. They're rated at 80 watts each. I'll never be able to kill them with a 20 watt amp and they sound incredible.


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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:46 pm
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Yeah, the difference between my Fender 65 twin and my Deville is huge. I think the jensen speakers in my twin are alot more gorgeous than the eminence in my deville

the deville is pretty nice sounding but the twin just canes it by about a million. Even when i use the same overdrive pedal in them, the twin runs straight past the deville

mind you the twin was american handwired and cost a hell of alot more than the deville for a reason...

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Post subject: Stock Speakers
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:52 pm
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I agree with others there were some cost cuttin when it came down the stock speaker put in the amps. I guess when you are working musician and have couple of bad experience with blown speakers it will put a bad taste in your mouth. Thus push a guitarist to customize an amp even after buying. Only you will know what your taste is and what you like to hear.


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