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Post subject: Princeton Reverb RI vs Super Champ XD
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:37 pm
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Oh yeah! I know I'm about to stir it up again, but I'd still like to hear some objective opinions!

Has anyone A/B 'ed the two? What are the tone comparison's between the clean channel on the SCXD vs the PRRI?

I know some of you will want to tell me that the DRRI is a better amp etc...but I want to stick to the differences in tone between these two amps.

I've got the SCXD and it is a pretty cool amp but I just don't see it going long run.

I'm looking for a light little amp for bedroom volumes and the occasional jam with my buddies. I'm way too old to join a band etc... and if I did, I already have a Traynor YCS50 that would serve that purpose. ( Beautiful amp but a little heavy to haul around for a 2hr jam!)

I like Blues, a little CCR, a little surf...light Rock etc...

What do you guys think?


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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:52 pm
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There is no comparison in either tone or build quality. The PRRI is legendary and overpriced.
I know I'll get blasted but IMO neither amp is a great gigging amp. The PRRI does have a serious tonal edge over the Champ. The SCXD will be landfill way before the PRRI just because of the it's constructed.


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Post subject: Yep...my SCXD is already in the shop
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:25 pm
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It's not that I don't like the SCXD but mine is already in the shop after 1 year. It has the service tech spooked because the issue is intermittent.

I like the size and weight of the SCXD and the tone is ok. It has me thinking that I could spend the same money on a few of these before I reach "Break Even Point" on the PRRI. My VOX AD50VT was already shot a year ago (uneconomical repair), and now the SCXD is having issues! Add the cost of the two of them up and I'm closing ground on the very expensive PRRI!

I just wonder about the sound of the PRRI. I haven't seen one to try out. I have a Strat, a Tele, a LP, and a 335. Also a Washburn with something like P90s. I really need to take one of these home to try out before making the decision but I'd like to hear others' opinions.

Like I said, I don't need the added weight and power of the DRRI. I already have a rock solid Traynor that sounds beautiful albeit probably more along the lines of the Bassman in tone. It sounds great at bedroom volumes, and at 50Watts, it can definitely go to town! It's just too much weight and hassle to haul around.

Keep the responses coming... I'm all ears...at least what still works! LOL


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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:00 pm
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Right now I have an Egnater Rebel 20. It's light weight. The head is just 16lbs and the 112 cab issmall and light weight. It can mimic a ton of tones because it runs both 6V6 and EL84 power tubes. You can blend them to any degree and the wattage is variable from 1 to 20 watts. It can go from a serious roar to living room volume and still sound incredible. It does from American to British tones. The amp is built extremely well too. The head and cabinet are around $850 depending on where you live.

With that said, the Princeton is a really sweet sounding. It's full and rich with a fair amount of headroom.


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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:55 pm
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I owned a SCXD for a while, but I ended up selling it. I only used the clean channel and was pleased with it at first, but ended up buying a blues jr instead because it had better tone. I know...SCXD vs PRRI. My view on the PRRI is that it's a sweet amp, but definitely overpriced. If it was 2-3 hundred less, I'd be playing one right now instead of my blues jr. It's better constructed and has a more three-dimensional tone, not to mention awesome reverb and tremolo.


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Post subject: Princeton is expensive and Egnator is flexible
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:24 am
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The Princeton is expensive, and so is just about everything else in the Fender line as of last year. I don't know why Fender and Gibson have decided that people going through a recession have more money but they did, and things are what they are.

The Princeton gives me one serious tone advantage that I like...good reverb...at least that's what I've heard. The Rebel does not, so now you have to add in the cost of a good pedal. Put that into the mix and the added trouble of carrying the cab separately, and it looses it's edge. Sure it's flexible, I'll give it that much.


I don't want to knock the SCXD, it gives us an alternative that is far less expensive, but I do not believe it will out last me and I'm going on 55. I'm looking for something that I can keep until I have to give music up. I know my Traynor is good for the long haul, just too heavy to haul around for a Sunday afternoon jam etc...

Anyone know what the PRRI is like with humbuckers?


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Post subject: Re: Princeton is expensive and Egnator is flexible
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:52 am
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rlecocq wrote:
The Princeton is expensive, and so is just about everything else in the Fender line as of last year. I don't know why Fender and Gibson have decided that people going through a recession have more money but they did, and things are what they are.

The Princeton gives me one serious tone advantage that I like...good reverb...at least that's what I've heard. The Rebel does not, so now you have to add in the cost of a good pedal. Put that into the mix and the added trouble of carrying the cab separately, and it looses it's edge. Sure it's flexible, I'll give it that much.


I don't want to knock the SCXD, it gives us an alternative that is far less expensive, but I do not believe it will out last me and I'm going on 55. I'm looking for something that I can keep until I have to give music up. I know my Traynor is good for the long haul, just too heavy to haul around for a Sunday afternoon jam etc...

Anyone know what the PRRI is like with humbuckers?


The Princeton is fine with Humbuckers. On a side note, you never really miss reverb on great sounding amps. The Bassman, Deluxe 5e3 and original Champs didn't have it. The room I'm in usually gives me enough natural reverb. Many high end boutique don't have reverb either.

I'm 54 and know exactly where you're coming from. I still have a 76 Twin that I bought new so the Rebel is nothing. The head comes with a bag, so I just sling it over my shoulder and carry the cabinet and my guitar. One trip, no problem. It's really light. The rebel comes in a 30 combo too but that may be too heavy for you too.

Have you ever tried a 12 watt Deluxe 5e3 clone kit? No reverb, but you don't need it. You can also plug in a solid state rectifier if you don't like the tube. People build them and put them on Ebay.

The problem is, amps with a lot of built in effects that are inexpensive are built like garbage and become landfill in a couple of years. Solid state amp are lightweight and reliable, but just don't sound as good to me as a tube amp.


I will never give music up. Les Paul played until he passed on at 94. You may not play when you were younger, but you adapt.


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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:01 am
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I own an SCXD and really enjoy it. I'm not going try and compare it however to the Princeton Reverb, but then why should I it cost $300 not $900. For the money an SCXD is a great amp but the Princeton is IMO way over priced. For a $100 more you can buy a DRRI. I don't understand why they have to charge so much for the Princeton. I recently picked up a used Peavey Classic 30 for $350 and they can often be bought on sale new for around $500. These are manufactured in the US, have great tone and are very well built. If Peavey can build good amps in the US for the prices they charge, why can't Fender and others?


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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:26 am
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Hi,

I recently got myself a PPRI initially went to buy a SCXD.
At the store I played the SCXD first and thought wow nice..considering the price then I made the mistake of plugging into the PPRI,there and then i just had to buy the PPRI if I went home without the amp Im sure it would be haunting me the sound just imprinted in my brain.
To my ears the PPRI sounded better also the Valve Reverb and Vibrator is very nice.Digital effects on the SCXD cant compare to these.
The PPRI cost more than SXCD but the Quality of sound out weigh the quantity...

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Post subject: Many great points made here
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:15 pm
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Wow, there are some great, and varying opinions made here. I have a lot to chew on.

One point nobody disagrees on however is that the PRRI is overpriced!


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Post subject: Re: Many great points made here
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:14 am
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[quote="rlecocq"]Wow, there are some great, and varying opinions made here. I have a lot to chew on.
One point nobody disagrees on however is that the PRRI is overpriced!



Some might argue that is priced right,since its made by Americans and supporting the US economy by the same token buying the SCXD you are supporting Fender's economy and thus also helping the US economy (some people just dont get it)
To most people worldwide on a tight budget because of current economic climate the PPRI is slightly out of reach.
Because of that and from what Ive read on various forums I think SXCD is out selling the Princeton reverb by a huge margin.

There has a been a huge debate over at "Boycott Chinese Built-Amps" Thread created by Maruuk.

I would advice to go and try both amp (A/B test) then you might hear subtle difference's in tonal qualities and lastly buy the amp that suits your budget(spend wisely) either way you will be happy and most importantly you are supporting Fender.
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:34 am
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The Princeton is overpriced as compared to a DRRI. There's only $100 difference between the two. The DRRI has two channels more power and separate EQ on each channel. The DRRI is also built in the US. It hard to gig with a Princeton unless you mic it. That's one of the reasons I sold mine in the early 70's.


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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:56 am
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Ah my old adversary..lol

In your humble opinion the PPRI is overpriced..(I respect that) As already mentioned buy the amp that suits your budget.
To some people the PPRI is just slightly out of reach and somehow cant managed to stretch that extra $100 borrowed from a friend or whatever to make the DRRI purchase.

Btw this thread is about PPRI vs SCXD I could go on about the advantages or disadvantages between PPRI and DRRI but thats for another time.

You with 11 trillion post counts and infinite wisedom should know to keep to the topic of this thread and not hijack it....ooppss just a shallow advice from a Newbie.
Where's that hankerchief so i can wipe away my snotty nose attitude..

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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:48 am
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I wish you'd stop this crap. It's starting to get really old. It makes you look like you're trolling for an argument.

If you don't like my opinion, don't respond to it because that's what I'm doing with your posts from now on. It's not my opinion, it's a fact that the PRRI is way overpriced for what it is. A mass produced PCB recording/practice amp. You can do way better for the money or slightly more, but yes it is better than the SCXD which I stated before. :roll:


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