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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:18 pm
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but doesn't the twin sound good even if the volume is on 3?

also, i like how the twin reverb has two eq's


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3 on a Twin reverb is way too loud for most houses and apartments, if you even get it to that. At lower volumes on tube amps, you're not getting the benefit of the sonic interaction of the power tubes, which is the whole reason people like tube amps. Buy the right amp for what you're going to use it for -- a Twin Reverb for playing at home is the wrong amp, plain and simple. If you were a touring musician and were playing live in stadiums, great - go for it.

Why spend your money on more amp than you'll need?

As for the two EQs, I think you mean 2 channels - a normal and a vibrato/reverb channel. They aren't switching channels - they're meant for multiple instruments to plug into. The Deluxe Reverb, Pro Reverb and about 20 other Fender tube amps have a similar layout. If you want a 2-channel amp with different EQs, Fender as well as other commpanies make them, or you'll need to buy a A/B switch and cables to connect to both channels. Again with the Twin, both volume channels will need to be at 1 or 2, but you can have some tonal differences.

Not trying to dissuade you from buying a Fender, but with so many choices out there, it seems foolish to buy an amp that you'll never use 97% of its tonal and volume potential. You'll be wasting your money vs. having a smaller amp that you can get more tone out of.

Do yourself a favor and go to a Guitar Center/Sam Ash/etc. tomorrow - ask if you can play a Deluxe Reverb and a Twin Reverb. Then, ask if you can carry each of them around the room for 5 minutes. I'm assuming you've played any of these amps?

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Yeah i've played them, and the twin reverb does have two eq's one on the normal channel and one on the vibrato, and the two inputs are just for higher gain and lower gain.

And i can just turn the volume down on my guitar so the volume on the amp won't make me deaf :lol:


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To each his own. If you really think a Twin Reverb is good for you to play quietly at home, enjoy.

I'd still get the hand truck. The Twin has many great attributes: its crappy casters and weight aren't 2 of them.

Let us know what you ultimately buy.

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Yeah i've played them, and the twin reverb does have two eq's one on the normal channel and one on the vibrato, and the two inputs are just for higher gain and lower gain.

And i can just turn the volume down on my guitar so the volume on the amp won't make me deaf :lol:


It sounds like you have your mind set on the Twin, so maybe you should go that route?

Don't get me wrong, the Twin is just fine, but I honestly think it's way too much amp for most situations. I think the Deluxe Reverb is the one of the most practible amps (if not the most) that Fender makes. 22 tube watts is still pretty damn loud. If you need more volume, just mic it. It has essentially the same front panel as the Twin, with the exception of a mid knob. Also keep in mind that the two channels are not foot switchable (out of the box at least), not that it matters since it would essentially be switching between two clean channels.

If your mind is set on a Twin, then go for it. It's a nice amp that is super clean. I just think its a lot easier to make the most out of a Deluxe Reverb, or other tube amp that isn't insanely loud. In the end, you have to do what will make you happy.


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I don't think the weight of the twin will be too much trouble because i have a car and the only distance i will have to carry is from the car to the "stage."

But if I have to carry it far then i'll just think of it as working out.


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Dear code. I want to copy a quote from The Guitar Amp Handbook by David Hunter Chapter 6 Page 71, Sizes and requirements. I`ve known many players that owned very nice amps indeed,but nevergot the best out of them because they never played in a room large enough to let them crank it up.These guys saved their penny`s for years,and finally bought the amps of their dreams; a metal-panel marshall jtm100, a fender twin reverb, a soldano slo, a mesa/boogie triple rectiffier, maybe even just a vox ac30. They brought the thing to the gig, and were heartbroken when the singer, or bass player, or sound engineer kept begging them to turn it down. They were even more heartbroken when, show after show, that gorgeous amp sounded entirely mediocre with the volume reined in to tone-stifling levels. If, instead of a 100-watter, they` bought a little 15 to 30- watter with similar characteristics(I dont include ac30s in this small` category, because of their surprisiingly high volume levels), they probaly would have been cruising in the tone zone each and every gig. The whole point of the story is can you really get all the potenial out of a twin? Tube amps are made to be played at their full potenial to get the most out of the tubes for tone. In your original post you wanted clean tone at moderate levels( small gigs) 30-70 watts, the Twin doesn`t meet those reguirements. When you go on a forum and ask for help to decide what to buy you probaly are waffleling on your decision and ( which is ultimately yours.) and youll get plenty of opinions from all of us, some are very good opinions like nedorama and ledzep 77. I to believe the DRRI would be a much better choice all around. Remember if your going to be playing in larger auditoriums they would put you into the house PA system and control your volume anyhow. The DRRI at 22 watts is plenty loud for gigging and lighter to haul around. Decide your needs, do some research, and try before you buy. Good luck shamrock on.


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Just an example of volume on a DRRI. I play at home mostly. I keep the volume on 2 or less, and I plug into the low gain input. If I plug into the high gain input, I have to keep the volume on about 1.5. Any higher and it gets really loud. The DRRI will definitely hold it's it's own in a gigging environment.

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Ah, but a deluxe doesent have the headroom though does it?

Have a look at a bassman, i think thats got the goods.

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Ah, but a deluxe doesent have the headroom though does it?

Have a look at a bassman, i think thats got the goods.


Bassman's don't have a ton of headroom either. The RI is a tweed circuit. It reminds me of a huge 5e3. It's very dynamic. The DRRI has a surprising amount of headroom


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Oh, whenever ive seen a bassman its always had nice bassy cleans. Oh well.

Surely there must be more amplifiers with a solid state rectifier like the twins

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Oh, whenever ive seen a bassman its always had nice bassy cleans. Oh well.

Surely there must be more amplifiers with a solid state rectifier like the twins


It depends on the volume and the tone settings of the Bassman. I've gotten some pretty bright cleans on a Bassman RI. Lots of Fender amps have SS rectifiers. In the silverface amps anything based on the Twin is SS. All the HRDs are SS too.


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At bedroom levels, the DRRI or even a Princeton Reverb has plenty of clean. In rehearsals, it can be pretty clean with a little "girth" in higher volumes.

Anything bigger than a club, you stick a '57 or a e906 on it and it stays clean if you want.

Many people have given this guy good advice, and it sounds like he had his mind made up before asking and will go with the Twin, which for him will be the wrong amp for the wrong job.

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mats54 wrote:
They brought the thing to the gig, and were heartbroken when the singer, or bass player, or sound engineer kept begging them to turn it down.


Yeh but as i said before, can't i just turn the volume down on my guitar.


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The Twin is a really bad choice. I've had one for 30+ years and it now sits in the closet and was replaced with an Egnater 20. No, the Twin doesn't sound real good at three and when you turn the guitars volume down it's worse. It's "toneless" at that point for lack of a better word and you can get that same clean with a solid state amp. In your average size club, you'll be asked to turn it down by the soundman if you even need one, the audience, and the club owner who will probably not hire you again.

To play so soft from a Twin is a waste. It's a beautiful thing at around 4 or 5 but at that point your ears will hurt. Can you do it? Sure, but your tone will be eh. Personally, I'd go with a lower wattage amp. You'll get tired of hauling a Twin around pretty quick too.

But, like nedorama said it sounds like you've already made up your mind. I use my little 20 watt Egnater everywhere. If I play a bigger venue, I just use two cabinets or mic it. The only reason I got the Twin in the first place was because in the 70's, PA systems were horrible and we did a lot of very large venues and I did some festival work.

Loud stage volumes only ruin the mix and are hard on the audience. Let your conscience be your guide.


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