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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:52 pm
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Oh I must have missed something , i meaned the yellow covering :)


no, you were right, you were both thinking of the same thing. He just means that all of the "yellow tweed" amps have a sound distinctly different than a "black face" or "silver face" sound. They did not use to make amps like they do today. Today you can buy a supersonic in black or in blonde. Before if you wanted a bassman in 1957 you had one option, tweed.

I agree on a deluxe Reverb reissue. I would say keep away from the hot rods. Im not against them, they are simply not the kind of sound you are looking for. A bassman reissue would be EXACTLY the sound you are looking for, but in my oppinion that is still a different sound than the 63 bassman head and 2 12 Cab that Setzer plays. They can be found on ebay for around ($1000 US), I think that is above your pricerange. also the Gomez "El sondito" is a replica of the 63 bassman that ive played and is verrrrrrry nice.

so for your pricerange, and your volume needs i would suggest Deluxe reverb reissue or a Bassman Reissue. Personally ive nailed the Setzer sound with my Gretsch 6118 (TV Jones Classics) and a Supersonic Combo amp,

beware that the supersonic is NOT a home friendly amp (its very loud), I mostly play outdoor venues and larger halls so the amp gets cranked and crunchy.

hope that helped,

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http://www.gomezamps.com/el-sonido.html

here is that Gomez amp BTW.

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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:42 am
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It indeed helped , thanks.

The only issue is , that I'm always playing clean , as clean as can be.
I love the sound of Setzer , but for some reason , I never played with that sound myself.

The bassman Reissue is a great amp , but it's hard to keep it clean at high volumes (exactly what makes it that great Rockabilly amp) , so I'm not sure about that one.


The fender deluxe is a great sounding amp , but I want to be sure that the amp I buy is hard enough for a while.

I've been told that for the gigs I now play (small pubs , 100-150 people) , the Fender Deluxe will do.
It's good that it "Will do" , but I want an amp that can " Reach the right volume easily".
So that if our band gets a bit more succesful , and we play in medium sized venues , I can still handle it with the Deluxe Reverb.


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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:29 am
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vjcor wrote:
uokclan wrote:
Oh I must have missed something , i meaned the yellow covering :)


no, you were right, you were both thinking of the same thing. He just means that all of the "yellow tweed" amps have a sound distinctly different than a "black face" or "silver face" sound. They did not use to make amps like they do today. Today you can buy a supersonic in black or in blonde. Before if you wanted a bassman in 1957 you had one option, tweed.

I agree on a deluxe Reverb reissue. I would say keep away from the hot rods. Im not against them, they are simply not the kind of sound you are looking for. A bassman reissue would be EXACTLY the sound you are looking for, but in my oppinion that is still a different sound than the 63 bassman head and 2 12 Cab that Setzer plays. They can be found on ebay for around ($1000 US), I think that is above your pricerange. also the Gomez "El sondito" is a replica of the 63 bassman that ive played and is verrrrrrry nice.

so for your pricerange, and your volume needs i would suggest Deluxe reverb reissue or a Bassman Reissue. Personally ive nailed the Setzer sound with my Gretsch 6118 (TV Jones Classics) and a Supersonic Combo amp,

beware that the supersonic is NOT a home friendly amp (its very loud), I mostly play outdoor venues and larger halls so the amp gets cranked and crunchy.

hope that helped,

-Vince


No, they don't. Just because it has a tweed covering, does not mean it's a tweed amp. The original tweeds were the Bassman, Deluxe, Champ and Twin. They are very dynamic amps meaning the harder you hit the strings, the more distorted the sound without increasing the volume.You need to try a 57 Deluxe to see what I mean. The tweed sound is related to the circuit.

Even though the DRRI, BD,BJ come in tweed covering, they sound way different then say the 57 Deluxe. They are not dynamic amd lack the tonal complexity. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the traditional tweed sound.

The new tweed is nothing but cosmetic marketing. Just like the Blues Deluxe NOS. Unless they are the reissues, the new tweeds sound nothing like the old ones. A tweed DRRI sounds just like a tolex DRRI except for a speaker change. The circuit is identical.

Sorry for the rant, I just had to clear up the tweed thing.


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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:35 am
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Mate I use a HRD 410 for my clean Reggae/Funk/Ska chops and it has heaps of headroom before it breaks up.

You wouldn't even use the volume above 3 at most gig's really.

I have found it to be very reliable, great tone and really clean.


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63supro wrote:
vjcor wrote:
uokclan wrote:
Oh I must have missed something , i meaned the yellow covering :)


no, you were right, you were both thinking of the same thing. He just means that all of the "yellow tweed" amps have a sound distinctly different than a "black face" or "silver face" sound. They did not use to make amps like they do today. Today you can buy a supersonic in black or in blonde. Before if you wanted a bassman in 1957 you had one option, tweed.

I agree on a deluxe Reverb reissue. I would say keep away from the hot rods. Im not against them, they are simply not the kind of sound you are looking for. A bassman reissue would be EXACTLY the sound you are looking for, but in my oppinion that is still a different sound than the 63 bassman head and 2 12 Cab that Setzer plays. They can be found on ebay for around ($1000 US), I think that is above your pricerange. also the Gomez "El sondito" is a replica of the 63 bassman that ive played and is verrrrrrry nice.

so for your pricerange, and your volume needs i would suggest Deluxe reverb reissue or a Bassman Reissue. Personally ive nailed the Setzer sound with my Gretsch 6118 (TV Jones Classics) and a Supersonic Combo amp,

beware that the supersonic is NOT a home friendly amp (its very loud), I mostly play outdoor venues and larger halls so the amp gets cranked and crunchy.

hope that helped,

-Vince


No, they don't. Just because it has a tweed covering, does not mean it's a tweed amp. The original tweeds were the Bassman, Deluxe, Champ and Twin. They are very dynamic amps meaning the harder you hit the strings, the more distorted the sound without increasing the volume.You need to try a 57 Deluxe to see what I mean. The tweed sound is related to the circuit.

Even though the DRRI, BD,BJ come in tweed covering, they sound way different then say the 57 Deluxe. They are not dynamic amd lack the tonal complexity. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the traditional tweed sound.

The new tweed is nothing but cosmetic marketing. Just like the Blues Deluxe NOS. Unless they are the reissues, the new tweeds sound nothing like the old ones. A tweed DRRI sounds just like a tolex DRRI except for a speaker change. The circuit is identical.

Sorry for the rant, I just had to clear up the tweed thing.


Ah, thats what i was trying to say, but i can see where i mixed it up.

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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:14 am
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I recommend what I'm playing at the moment, a DRRI. Sound's great and from what I've read on the forum they're highly reliable as well. (Only been playing mine for four months so can't speak to reliability.) I think you can find a used DRRI for about what you might expect to pay for a Hot Rod Deville. The DRRI is lighter, will be plenty loud, yet you can play it at home as well.

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Once you play a tweed amp , you get to understand what it really is.Originally the tweed amps were the only ones out there with tweed coverings, today everything available comes out with a tweed version and mostly they are no different than the tolex version.Play a 59 bassman reissue and you will quickly see what Supro is talking about .


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Surely a Twin Reverb would suit you. Its the clean amp, its got an insane amount of headroom. And damn the reverb is $@!& hot.

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A Twin is way too loud for a small to medium size club.


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63supro wrote:
A Twin is way too loud for a small to medium size club.
Thats reason number 2 why there are usually at least 2 used ones for sale at guitar center.Number 1 is its too heavy.People love the tone of this thing .Then they buy it , take it home and realise they cant play at the smaller clubs (which is where most people play) and get tired of lugging it around.After a while they wondered why they bought it for and sell it back.Me personally , I like my hearing and being able to tie my own shoes.The sm57 is your friend. :roll:


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want something really light, with guts and power to spare, and fantastic clean tones, as well as crunch even at really low levels? try a jazz master ultra light. one of the best truly portable amps i have come across.

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The Jazz Master Ultra Light For me, the crunch leaves a lot to be desired. They sound a bit cold and sterile to me. I still just can't get into SS amps. It is a nice clean amp though. Pretty expensive for a solid state amp.

I think he really needs to get out and try a bunch of amps and see what fits his needs. We all recommend what WE like, but in the end uokclan is the one using the amp. For Rockabilly, Blues and Rock I'd steer clear of solid state amps. YMMV


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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:00 am
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Hi 63supro,

i did a side-by-side with the drri and jazzmaster ultra light. while not exactly the same tone, the ultra light sounded very good to me. I play a lot of surf, 50's elvis, and funk. i like a tiny bit of dirt only. I go for reverb, echo, and that tiny, warming bit of dirt. that's how i setup both for a side-by-side. maybe it's the combination of music i play and how i setup the amps that left me with an overall extrememly positive impression of the jazz master.

on the practical side, it is incredibly portable due its small size and light weight weight, and from the looks of it, pretty road-worthy tough. surprisingly, it has a lot of power, much more than its tiny size would suggest. i didn't open it up full volume and do a side-by-side, but i suspect it could easily take a twin in terms of clean loudness.

indeed it is pricey; but quality wise, it is every bit as good any pro-tube amp. maybe that's why its price is high (compared to soem ss amps).

hi uokclan,

from your posts, it sounded like you wanted something small and portable, something that would have power when you need it and sound good at bedroom levels, and sound good clean, i presumed with good reverb, echo, and chorus, and some dirt when you need it. from your needs and what i have seen, the ultra seemed to make sense. that's was my rationale behind the suggetion.

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A lot of people gig small to medium clubs with the DRRI. You can always mic it through the P.A. of course, but I really don't think you'll need to. And when we talk about an all-tube amp like the DRRI breaking up, it sounds sooooo good, not like (no offense) your FM65. Overdriving a cheap solid-state amp is not a pretty thing, it sounds horrible. Actually, naturally overdriving a DRRI will just give you a little grit and harmonics, not distortion (well, maybe if you had some super hot active pickups and had the amp volume on ten). You can't go wrong with the '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue. Everyone recommends them for a reason.

I didn't know that Fender made a DRRI with a tweed covering. That's cool. Maybe I can check one out on ebay or google or something.

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