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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:28 pm
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I don't know if it's a Custom, I'll have to get back to you after I play it again, but it does make a little noise. Nothing I can't live with, though, considering the tone it puts out. I even tried a SuperSonic, just to make sure I wasn't missing out on a good thing by only looking at non-master-volume amps. I'm not gonna' trash the SuperSonic, but I didn't care for it. At all. None.

I hope I am getting a little more wisdom, though. I intend to play the Twin and the Vibrolux again with my own guitars at least one or two more times before I plunk down $1000 or more for either of them. And I'm going to try The DRRI again as well, just to make sure making the best decision for my playing style. This is a pretty serious investment for me, especially if I get the Vibrolux as well as a Twin.

In hindsight, the '65 Twin Reverb re-issue comes the closest to meeting my want-list as originally stated, a tube combo amp that maintains its basic tonal character well up the volume scale, but after hearing that Vibrolux, if the Twin ends up being the amp I choose for clean headroom, over the DRRI, I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and get both of them, plus a good A/B switcher. I tell you what, it's a real pain having your mind set about something and then proving yourself wrong, lol.


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Make sure the music shop lets you crank them. Threaten to walk if they don't. Use a good cord too. Any noise going in will be worse going out. It really does make a difference. I replaced all my old ones with George L's and got some bonus bottom end on my Strat and Dano.

Have fun and let us know how it all works out.


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I'll for sure keep you posted, Supro. I'm pretty confident they'll let me put some miles on this weekend. I never would've known about the place, except for the salesman at out local boutique guitar shop. I told him I what I was looking for after about 20 minutes of A/B'ing a Twin and a Super, and he told me he had a buddy at a shop two towns down the highway who'd had a Vibrolux sitting on his salesfloor for a while. He gave me the address and called the other guy to let him know I was on my way. Then, the salesman at the shop where the Vobrolux was stayed an extra half hour after closing (I got there at their normal closing time) and let me crank the amp to my heart's delight. If I settle on that amp, and I'm leaning towards it, and they don't sell it before I get the cash together in the next couple of weeks, that dude's getting a good tip on top of the sale for being so helpful.


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I forgot to ask, Supro, do the George L's really make that much difference?


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I think so. The only thing is they kind of lay like coax cable and it's skinny. Real solid connectors. I don't pick up any noise through them. I bought the 255's. They really did make the low end sound slightly better and more defined. One of my friends told me after I bought them that Eric Johnson swears by them, and even though I love the way Johnson plays, I still think he's a bit OCD about his tone.


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I've got to agree with you about EJ's ocd, but I owe the man a lot. If it wasn't for him and Clapton, I'd probably still be trying to cover my mistakes with distortion instead of learning to play with discipline. I'm going to take your advice and look into some George L's. What's a hundred bucks on new cables if I'm going to spend a couple thousand on new amps, right? Did you buy the parts and make them, or did you get them from a shop? Also, can you recommend a good switching box, in case I go the two-amp route?


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I think I bought them from Musicians Friend ready made. I'm not positive because I buy accessories from a whole lot of stores on line. Big stuff I go Mom and Pop shops. I never used switching boxes. I did use to Daisey chain amps way back. That's why I have Tinnitus today. PA systems were pretty bad back then and the stage volume especially at festivals and bigger venues was ridiculous. If I can find another Egnater cheap, I was thinking about going the switchbox route too. One clean, and one for lead. Who knows.

I'm glad you're going after some professional amps. The whole HRDlx mania just sends me off the deep end. I used to own one because I was tired of lugging my Twin everywhere. If you say too much negative stuff about the HRD series, a handful of people get all defensive.

You'll be real happy with any of the three amps you're looking at. I finally dialed in the sounds I've had in my head for years with the Egnater. I still have my Twin and 74 Champ amps for the real Fender thing when I want it.
Settling for an amp based on what's good for the money won't get you the tone that's in your head.

Okay, enough words of wisdom. Have a blast and keep me posted.


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Will do, and if I go the two-amp route (which looks likely, right now), I'll share whatever I find out about the A/B boxes I try, just in case you go the two-amp route, too. I don't want to say anything bad about the Hot Rod series, they're great for channel-switching amps. I'm just getting so picky that now I'd rather switch amps than channels. I also think it's easier to match your volume levels from different amps than from a single channel-switching amp, not to mention having the option of running your clean and dirty sounds at the same time, which I've always liked. Nothing like a little sparkle on your grit.


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You could probably use an A/B box to change channels on a DRRI too. Have one channel cranked for grit and the other clean. The plus side is you have EQ for each channel.


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I think so. The only thing is they kind of lay like coax cable and it's skinny. Real solid connectors. I don't pick up any noise through them. I bought the 255's. They really did make the low end sound slightly better and more defined. One of my friends told me after I bought them that Eric Johnson swears by them, and even though I love the way Johnson plays, I still think he's a bit OCD about his tone.
He does have some peculiar ideas on tone , doesnt he?


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If you haven't already made up your mind, check out a silverface Bassman Ten. I know it's master volume (which wasn't in your original "desire list"), but with four ten-inch speakers, it really moves some air, and they're cheap if you can find them...I owned one for almost ten years, but it was lost in the Great Guitar and Amplifier Collection Mortgage Payment Massacre of 1999. The only thing I had against it--the weight.

People often forget that you can bypass any Master Volume by turning the the master up all the way, and using the slave volume for your level.

...and it sounded awesome!

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Well, guys, thanks for the help. I've decided to go the two-amp route, with the Vibrolux Reverb for the dirty sounds and a Twin Reverb RI for the clean stuff. I have played a lot of different amps in the last few weeks, and even before I started this thread I did a lot of driving around trying to get my hands on different ones to really home in on what I wanted. I've made a few observations along the way. For one, even the really good Bluesbreaker reissues didn't make me want to switch back to Marshall. Another thing I've noticed is that being so picky really makes it hard to narrow amplifier selection to only one. Finally, I realized that the sounds my favorite guitarists use aren't necessarily the ones I liked the best. Case in point, the Super Reverb has a dark, growly SRV vibe to it. That's an awesome sound, but not what I wanted to carve my sound out of. The Deluxe Reverb also has some of that character to my ears. The Vibrolux Reverb, on the other hand, has a slightly different twist on the overdriven Fender sound, one which I haven't heard too many other guys use. That wouldn't be enough on its own to make me play one, but the amazing tone that amp has would be enough. The fact that not everybody else plays one is just a plus, so not only did I find "my" sound, I'm also not just imitating my heroes. And for the clean stuff, or a really transparent sound with an OD pedal, nothing else could touch the Twin Reverb. Thanks, again, for everybody's input.

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i have read and followed the progression of this thread...you are ending up with two great amps.

infact i don't think you can go wrong with a twin reverb reissue, deluxe reverb reissue, super reverb reissue, custom vibrolux reverb, vibroverb, 59 bassman ltd, 57 deluxe, or a 57 twin. these amps are all great amps.
the only one i have is the 59 bassman ltd which i love...but in february i am getting another amp.

i am tempted to either get the 57 deluxe or the 57 twin because i really like the resonance of the solid pine construction. however, another part of me wants a blackface with onboard reverb and vibrato (tremelo). i have played all of them and will again before i make my final decision.

i am leaning toward the 57 deluxe if i get another tweed or the deluxe reverb if i get a blackface since i already have the bassman that can easily handle any situation.

didn't mean to hijack the thread.

congrats on the vibrolux and the twin reverb!


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captain eyeball wrote:
i have read and followed the progression of this thread...you are ending up with two great amps.

infact i don't think you can go wrong with a twin reverb reissue, deluxe reverb reissue, super reverb reissue, custom vibrolux reverb, vibroverb, 59 bassman ltd, 57 deluxe, or a 57 twin. these amps are all great amps.
the only one i have is the 59 bassman ltd which i love...but in february i am getting another amp.

i am tempted to either get the 57 deluxe or the 57 twin because i really like the resonance of the solid pine construction. however, another part of me wants a blackface with onboard reverb and vibrato (tremelo). i have played all of them and will again before i make my final decision.

i am leaning toward the 57 deluxe if i get another tweed or the deluxe reverb if i get a blackface since i already have the bassman that can easily handle any situation.

didn't mean to hijack the thread.

congrats on the vibrolux and the twin reverb!
I too have a 59 bassman ri and to be honest, I was thinking about a 57 deluxe , but chose a DRRI instead and couldnt be happier.It filled out my tone colection quite well.There is something about the blackface tone with reverb that cant be subsituted and I am really a tweedaholic.Part of it was the price of the 57 deluxe was just a little too steep for me.Maybe someday I will get a 57 deluxe kit and put it together, but for now I am digging my DRRI.


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No hijacking at all, brother. The '59 Bassman RI was one of the first ones I looked at, it has an awesome sound. There's no natural overdrive quite like a Bassman, I just kind of ruled it out early on because it didn't have the clean headroom I wanted. Guess I threw that our the window when I found the Vibrolux, lol.

But let me ask you a favor, Captain, if you don't mind. Could you let me know what the '57 Deluxe sounds like if you get one? I've been kind of interested in the expanding line of tweed reissues after hearing Clapton's recent work on the tweed Twins.

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