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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:44 am
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IMHO, a solid state amp modeling a classic tube amp is like a Toyota Prius modeling the engine sound of a Ferrari V-12 (Which scientists are actually considering due to pedestrians not being able to hear the quiet hybrids, but I digress). Sure it sounds real, but you know it's not and it will never give you the same feeling. <___<



sadly it is already being done with speakers mounted underneath cars, ive seen them... its really sad when mini vans sound like Ferraris

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johnny stecchino wrote:
i didn't appreciate the shot:
"I suppose if I were marketing support software for the Cyber Twin I would be pushing digital amps also."
so i might have got a little carried away returning the compliment, my apologies if it bugs you, the shot sure bugged me. and to the wisecrackers, please don't take shots at my italian background, i grew up saying ciao.

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Was is no way a shot. I don't have a dog in this hunt, I play what I play and like what I like and really don't give a flip what anyone else thinks about it. Which is why I normally don't post in this type of thread.

But I certainly felt that full disclosure was in order - and the fact that you market Cyber Commander is the truth - and also colors everything you post in this arena.
But maybe you did not want the average bear to know that?

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I'm pretty sure everybody on this forum knows Johnny's relationship to CyberCommander. I'm brand new here, and I knew that.

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But I certainly felt that full disclosure was in order - and the fact that you market Cyber Commander is the truth - and also colors everything you post in this arena.
But maybe you did not want the average bear to know that?


UM... I feel a little in the dark now, I didnt know this, I thought it was just a passionate exchange. Im sorry Johnny, but it looks like you had/have an agenda...

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But I certainly felt that full disclosure was in order - and the fact that you market Cyber Commander is the truth - and also colors everything you post in this arena.
But maybe you did not want the average bear to know that?


UM... I feel a little in the dark now, I didnt know this, I thought it was just a passionate exchange. Im sorry Johnny, but it looks like you had/have an agenda...


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Yes, by writing software for a particular amplifier he must have ulterior motives for posting on an Internet forum. He is obviously wanting to wipe out vacuum tubes from the music industry. His ultimate goal? Guitars with soundblaster cards built in.

:roll: :roll: :roll: your boat

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Guys & Gals,

no real agenda except to stimulate some innovative and critical thinking. inflamatory? maybe, actually if it gets you thinking, why not. why should you be satisfied with the status quo? as a close and very dear friend always reminds me, never defend the status quo. but i don't want you to be inflammed, i want you thinking, thinking critically!

i took offensive to the shots (especially the ciao stuff - that's a little personal - it's like pissing on my family). i generally enjoy teaching much, much more, and this is what i hope to do. i've never held back what i know or think is the truth. not that i'm always right, but at least i'll tell you what i'm thinking.

yes, i am one of the creators of Cyber Commander (there's two of us), i have never hidden that fact, i think i have proclaimed it often enough to the point of boredom. Cyber Commander started as a hobby because I wanted to tame my Cyber Twin & SE, then after seeing a bunch of treads of players suffering with their CT's, i decided to put the software out on the market. so i had to beef it up significantly (like no bugs since day one, a manual, provide descent support). i wrote the software for myself, but i am very pleased to share with it others, i genuinely hopes it helps Cyber Twin players, but i do need to have the costs covered some way, and i never took vows of perpetual poverty either.

in the mean time, i have discovered a hell of a lot about what the Cyber Twin can do, it is one amazing amp, it does not get nearly enough attention it deserves. i figured if i can that much out of the CT, hell, why can't the technology be pushed harder and farther?

fyi, i used to have TRRIs, DRRIs, Marshalls, some of best tube amps you could think of. Like Ramone, i got fed up with tubes, maintenance, pedals, and the general monolithic sound. I really wanted a variety of great tones that i can call up at will - the Cyber Twin SE gives me that.

fyi, my instruments are 1 ash tele, 2 ash strats, 2 alder (white) strats, all with one-piece maple necks. also have a bassman 400 and an Am hot-rod precision (limited quantities sold and discontinued) to noodle around with. today, i have a bunch of cyber twins, one JC-120 and one bassman 400. i have had a strat since i was about 14 or so. i have played les pauls, gretschs, guilds, gibsons, but i always come back to the strat. it's personal.

well, that's all i wanted to say. i hope this removes any mystery, maybe adds some.

ciao & peace,
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Guitarist1983 wrote:
Powdered Toast Man wrote:
Ok, here's my take:

I MUCH prefer my Super Reverb reissue over the new Line6 and similar modeling amps. Why?
1) Simplicity.
2) Sound.


I'm 50 and I own and use a PodX3 Live direct to the PA. Or I use a PodXt into an Atomic Reactor 18 watt EL84 amp; or I use a Princeton Reissue.

1. The PodX3 live provides the best live sound. I play for crowds of about 500-to-800. The PodX3 allows the sound tech to get the best mix for the entire house, plus everything we play is recorded and the PodX3 gives a great sound.

2. The PodXt into the Atomic Reactor amp "feels" great! Typically I keep the PodXt on a relatively clean amp selection and max out the Atomic Reactor to get that wonderful sponginess and tube-baking goodness that I crave.

3. The Princeton RI is great cause I can turn it on 10, run it through a 4X12 cabinet and get lots of sustain and grit without being too loud. And the tube rectifier & 6V6s provide a nice amount of sponginess that submits to my aggressive attacks; and the 4X12 cab tightens up the lows (no flabby bass for me, thank you).

4. I don't like the feel of playing all digital. It doesn't work with me; it doesn't cooperate or react to my "behavior" like a full tube amp; it sort of generates sound without "bending" or "responding" to my touch.

5. Sound is a different subject; it is subjective. Aren't there plenty of guitarists who swear by the solid state tone? Dime B. Darrell, for instance? Can anyone name some other excellent guitarists who use solid state?

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Clay:

I am the exact same way except I have a 5150 for the amp. I also own both the X3 and XTLive (s). The X3 Live is a huge upgrade to the XT Live even though I purchased all the updates for the XT.

I love it and use it (X3) live for practice and shows. I only use 1 bank of 4 sounds for 90% of the night. Going from "A" which is very clean to "D" which is very distorted. I also use the Boost function for leads on every channel. For special tunes (Run like He11, and Honky Tonk) I use "A and B" on the next bank up due to the special tone and effects no usable on other songs.

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johnny stecchino wrote:
Guys & Gals,
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i took offensive to the shots (especially the ciao stuff - that's a little personal - it's like pissing on my family).

.............................................
ciao & peace,
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I'm sorry John. I started the thing about the "ciao" - but never meant it to be an insult. Please accept my apologizes.

The reason I said it was pronounced like we say "chow" down here, was so I would have something to cause me to remember how the word is pronounced. (many times thinking as I type) I kept forgetting what the word was.

In hind sight, it was obviously a mistake.

I am truly sorry it offended you.


As for the subject matter of the thread;
What has been presented as new ground for future developments?
IMHO - the whole point of the thread has been missed by most.

I'm old and my best idea would be something like having everything except the guitar and cord working from a notebook computer. That would eliminate carrying a heavy tube amp up three flights of stairs to your job, and back down those same three flights of stairs when you are done.

Probably about like taking a guitar, cord and POD - except that hopefully with the computer idea you wouldn't be limited to just the one manufacturer.

Those scenarios still need a power amp and speakers - unless you go into the house PA system

In the meantime - as far as I can see - the Cyber-Twin SE is the best thing available. Yeah it's still heavy for an old back - but it's sure lighter than my Twin Reverb, and way lighter than my old Peavey Stereo Chorus 212 was.

Maybe some younger brains can come up with some real innovative ideas.

Best wishes to all,
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Couldn't disagree more. I play a solid state Fender but I'm looking at a tube. The tube tone gives me much more of what I want to hear from an amp. Of course, I do wear hearing aids (amps for old musicians), so maybe that has something to do with what I like. Tubes just have a warmer sound. Each to his own.


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I'll be a tube purist to the end.

I'm not saying solid-states are bad; play them if you want. But you can hardly blame a fellow for enjoying the undeniable groove a nice tube amp puts out.


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hi Ramone,

you have absolutely NOTHING to apologize for. my remark was directed at the other wise crackers. byw, in seattle tonite.

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Yesterday I was at the Tukwila GC playing a Cyber Twin then came home to play my current amps. This morning I read this thread. Johnny's statements have dissuaded me from the purchase.


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We should also make it perfectly clear that there is a difference between analog solid state sound & digital sound.

Solid state can be pure analog. That is where you amplify an audio signal using a transistor & you have NOT converted it to digital. You have not lost any of the original signal in the conversion process.
Converting the signal to 16-bit digital sounds OK but a loss occurs. No audiphile with good ears will argue against that. It's one of the reasons a lot of people complain about the 16-bit music CD's we have been hearing for the past 20 years.
The industry is going towards 24 bit digital ( as heard on Blue-Ray disks) as it is much closer to true analog sound.

The designers of the next generation of dogital amps will certainly have to keep that in mind.


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LesK wrote:
The industry is going towards 24 bit digital ( as heard on Blue-Ray disks) as it is much closer to true analog sound.

The designers of the next generation of dogital amps will certainly have to keep that in mind.


The industry has been there for 10 years - studios only bounce down to 16 bits at the end of mixing for the CD transfer, but everything is done at 24 bits.

Same with digital amps - they are doing it. Most internal processing on even the lowliest digital modeler is done at a rate above 16 bits, but the limiter is often the A/D and D/A chips, which for cost reasons on cheap digital gear sound cheap. You can get great sounding digital, but at a price. If you want to pay more (like for a Digidesign Eleven Rack) you get much better converters and better sound.

If you want to instantly upgrade Amplitube, Guitar Rig, etc., try running them at 24/96 vs. 16/44.1 if your system can handle it. You'll be amazed at what you weren't hearing before.

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