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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:58 pm
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Hi Very Slow Hand,

i'm assuming you are on a tight budget, here are some recommendations:
1. the Roland Cube series amps are pretty good, low cost amps, really nice tone (Roland is my fav ss/digtal aside from the Cyber Twins), truly nice amps.
2. Peavey TransTube series, low cost, good sounding
3. Line 6 also has some nice stuff, keeps getting better and better
4. Currently, Fender has a poor line up of low cost, good sounding, ss/digital amps. I don't know if a G-DEC is your cup of tea, has some descent tones and a lot of razzmatazz. The older Princetons were great amps as were the older Stage 90s/100s. I personally think their best is the Jazz Master, but that one will blow a low cost budget.

now to respond to some of the urban legends i'm beginning to see...

someone likes to drive their 67 automobile - as if to draw an analogy to the good old days of toob amps. plan on giving up your flat screen for a toob display any time soon? or a cell phone for a wired handset? hmmm??

just because someone can't use advanced digital technology doesn't mean it's bad, it means someone can't use it. then there's simple digital technology that's pretty good too, ex: the Roland Cube ss/digital amps. and if you are going to use advanced Line-6 gear, well, you are going to have to learn how use it. or stick to simpler ss/digital stuff.

digital not there for live... go see This Is It (Michael Jackson) then try and tell me digital is not for live performance... BTW, if you want to see what really makes a great performer, see this movie.

nope, ss/digital advocates not saying ss/digital sound like toob amps, they are saying ss/digital sounds are getting better and better (and better than tube amps)

Tube amps have power. Now go crank a Jazz Master or a Roland JC-120 and see what happens. take the test and learn.

well if we are going to talk cars, i'd go for 2010 Audi R8 instead of a 65 vette. or an audi A8 over most other cars... or an everyday toyota that starts every time i put the key in the ignition and doesn't break down over and over again... nostalgia: nothing but a fresh coat of paint over rust.

Fluctuating current currents affects most electronic devices. Unless the ss/digital amp POWER SUPPLY is well designed (no it doesn't have to be expensive, just well designed), it will indeed crap out. Indeed tube equipment is nuclear radiation, pulsed high intensity EM field hardened by its very physical nature. yes it can take power fluctuations, to a point, but will also blow. after a nuke event, about the only operating equipment will be toob equipment. Planning on a long life playing guitar after a nuke event?

yes, digital products are cycling fast, very fast. want a prediction? here's one: guitar + audio to digital converter + guitar preamp software (which can change or be upgraded weekly) + laptop + linear power amp (kilowatts if you want it, like electrovoice) or headphones. your own portable studio wherever you go. the younger generation will go for this, they been trained on PS3, xbox, wii, not to mention PCs, MACs, and are used to networking.

and now to start an urban legend:

now to blow your minds: how about a network? kind of like live-messenger, but instead you, someone 1000 miles away, and another someone another 1000 miles away, all connected through the net to create an instant band. how about all of you playing together, even though you are thousands of miles away, like a regular band. yeah, you won't be able to have physical contact, kind of like what happens in a recording studio today, but hell, you can all play togther. how about "band rooms" you can join in and jam with in real time with anyone in the world, any time , any place, any tune? Digital, you bet baby. how is that for a little thinking out of the box? the network? hmm, maybe, johnny_net.com when it's done?

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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:24 pm
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Gee you just reinvented online Rock Band or guitar hero ..

OR it is closer than you think .... Ninjam ... ( supported added by reaper in 2007)

Well OK, the ninjam client code last update was in 2005 :? so I am guessing it is no longer being worked on.

johnny stecchino wrote:
now to blow your minds: how about a network? kind of like live-messenger, but instead you, someone 1000 miles away, and another someone another 1000 miles away, all connected through the net to create an instant band. how about all of you playing together, even though you are thousands of miles away, like a regular band.




Yet another pointless thread that is one of the religious type topics much like the never ending Canon Vs Nikon, RAW Vs jpg, Film vs Digital battles that keep getting started on the photo forums.
Neither side will ever win or convince the other to switch.

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Thanks Johnny

I had a Roland Cube and didn't like the digital decay cutting short the really long sustains (maybe that is an argument against solid state, or an argument for a sustain pedal?). As for the G-Dec... I got one last Friday and sent it back the same day. Sorry, but I hated the damn thing!

Like the look of the Peavey Transtube and I'm coming around to SOME of the Line 6 stuff! I thought the Hughes & Kettner Edition Blue might be another contender. Whatever... it's fun agonising over these things!

As for those people who keep saying this (or any other) thread is pointless... I'd just like to say:

– Please don't be so arrogant as to tell anyone what is and isn't a pointless thread... I find something useful in most of these 'pointless threads'... if it doesn't suit you, don't comment, move on.


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peterp wrote:


Yet another pointless thread....

Neither side will ever win or convince the other to switch.



Well maybe some of us should be a little more open minded and a little less dogmatic. It's not a question of 'winning'... this isn't a competition, it's a forum.

Perhaps that's a metaphor for life and an argument against religious dogma (since you use it as an analogy) and an argument for listening to other people's opinions and understanding them, rather than dismissing them simply because you hold a different view.

End of 'thought for the day!' :wink:


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While I belong in the "tubes are better" group, I feel that digital amps are actually pretty neat! I've been wanting a small modeling amp for playing along with my stereo (or YouTube videos) at home. I wish that Line6 made a line of small POD amps with knobs to choose the amp model or effects instead of menus, just like on the older POD models. I don't care for the Spider amps. I really wanted to like the Vox VT series, but I can't figure out how to change amp models or use presets without reading the manual. (This is because I'm not of the computer generation, so I didn't grow up surrounded by this stuff.)


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Think Floyd wrote:
While I belong in the "tubes are better" group, I feel that digital amps are actually pretty neat! I've been wanting a small modeling amp for playing along with my stereo (or YouTube videos) at home. I wish that Line6 made a line of small POD amps with knobs to choose the amp model or effects instead of menus, just like on the older POD models. I don't care for the Spider amps. I really wanted to like the Vox VT series, but I can't figure out how to change amp models or use presets without reading the manual. (This is because I'm not of the computer generation, so I didn't grow up surrounded by this stuff.)


I can relate to every bit of that.

Find me a 6V6 tube amp with FX loop, CD in and phones out and I'll be first in the queue.


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I suppose if I were marketing support software for the Cyber Twin I would be pushing digital amps also.

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I am completely open as you say, and willing to listen to most , no arrogance intended.
It just gets very tiring seeing the same this vs that threads get open over and over.and over :)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I do own an SS Traynor amp 50watt head & 2 * 15 cab, and the little Roland cube 20x,
I still end up using the questionable reliable hot-rod most often as IMHO it produces the sound I prefer.

VerySlowHand wrote:

Well maybe some of us should be a little more open minded and a little less dogmatic. It's not a question of 'winning'... this isn't a competition, it's a forum.

Perhaps that's a metaphor for life and an argument against religious dogma (since you use it as an analogy) and an argument for listening to other people's opinions and understanding them, rather than dismissing them simply because you hold a different view.

End of 'thought for the day!' :wink:


Troublecall,
I noticed that too :) , and then tracked that posters other threads back many of them seem to end up in a similar SS vein.

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I suppose if I were marketing support software for the Cyber Twin I would be pushing digital amps also.
+2.Gee you think there is an agenda?Hmm. :shock:


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tube amps: time to put them to pasture?


It's long past time. :lol:

They should all be taken to the glue factory. :wink:

Good try at getting folks to think though. :lol:

ummm ..... John, better watch-out. It looks like the "tube bullys" may be gearing up for another "pile-on johnny" session. :roll:


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To get back on track:

johnny stecchino wrote:
Not a troll, just johnny. Here's where I'm coming from:

I am hoping to get a ground swell of support to get great-sounding (this is the number one thing), affordable, digital, solid state amps into our hands. I know the technology is available, so I am hoping to see it in affordable & great-sounding amps.

Just remember, when you ask for tube amps, you'll get them, usually at a loss to everything else. And you'll get all the cost, problems, and limitations associated with them. I say be demanding. Ask for the very best in a modern, reliable, expandable, digital, and afforadable amp that you can grow with. And yes, it must sound great - no compromises. Just take note: our world has gone irreversably digital, also ask for all the proper PC & MAC support tools you need to grow & expand your talent.

That's what I'm talking about guys & gals. I want you all to share the passion and be demanding. You deserve the best for your hard earned.

ciao,
johnny.


+1 :D

And John .... Someone told me that "ciao" is pronounced the same as the word "chow" down here in God's Country, the southern US of A. :shock:
Now, when I see ciao, I think it's time to eat. :lol:
Seriously folks. ... If I'm liein', I'm diein' :P


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Here ya go it is a Canon vs nikon vid done as a rap,
someone should remake it as tube vs SS thang :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_H8TOKcfjg

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well, at least everyone is talking and thinking. so i'm pretty happy about that.

as for supporting cyber twin with software, did you know that i'm now a real famous millionaire living life in the lap of luxury? like yeah, my drive's a 2002 cherokee, i live in simple hut that i pretty well rebuilt, shop at walmart, buy gas when the price takes a sudden dip, but yeah... like... what a bunch of schmucks. in case the point wasn't made clear enough, it was done out of passion and desire to do some good, and as far as becoming another trump, at least some of the bills are being paid.

thanks ramone, and thanks again to bring it back to what i really wanted to get going: better sounding, constantly improving, more reliabe, lower cost, real innovative gear discussion.

yep ciao is pronounced chow. some of my italian hertitage poking through!

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It's all personal choice and taste. I've played thru modern and vintage amps and always seem to get more compliments on my tone while playin' with tubes.


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Choice is fine. We all need more choices.

At the risk of being repetitive:

johnny stecchino wrote:
............... to bring it back to what i really wanted to get going: better sounding, constantly improving, more reliable, lower cost, real innovative gear discussion.
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