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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:13 pm
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an astonishing failure to communicate at any level.

i am truly amazed by the tenacity of the tubers to keep coming back to their undying commitment to what was and absolute refusal to leave their comfort zone. wow.

as for amps and choices, let's tell the truth: it really matters what music you play -> it drives your choice in amps. let's tell another truth: tube amp tone for those that want it, there are an infinity of other tones.

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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:37 pm
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If you like thin, cheesy, hair-metal tone then solid state is for you.

If you like your sound to growl and not meow, NOTHING will ever replace tubes.

End of story.


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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:42 pm
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I got tubes and no-tubes they both got their place on stage.


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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:26 pm
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I've played & owned both tube & solid state. Honestly speaking, there are some nice sounding solid state amps out there, IMO the Peavey Bandit comes the closest to sounding like a tube amp on all channels. The only thing better is the REAL THING...

Along with the Peavey Bandit, most solid state amps have a nice clean sound & a fair driven sound. But many have hissy toneless distortion to my ears. Then again, I'm not a fan of modern distortion AT ALL. I like a good gritty overdrive that holds tone rather than eliminates it.

Bottom line for me: Technology can move forward all it wants (and there are some great modeling amps out there), but NOTHING can substitute or ever out do the tone/interaction/relationship between a player, a guitar & a real TUBE amp.

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Guys,
Johnny is not a bad bloke, he just feels strongly about his opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Me, I only play Fenders because to me it is the best guitar in the world...for my style and my opinion...and it is just that his opinion. SO lets all not get worked up about it. OMG, I am so mellow tonight..:)
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Okay Folks Heres the tally thus far...

Tubes Rule: 92 posts
Solid State Rules 40 Posts
Neutral 36 posts
Of Topic/Fights/etc 102 Posts
Your a Troll 15 Posts

Yeah Im bored... So forget about the BS posts and look at our own forum numbers...

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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:16 pm
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incredible proclamations like those above by mr gregory are exactly the failures to communicate at any level i'm talking about. re-reading the post, i might conclude it was written by a snotty teenager with attitude - which might explain a failure to communicate.

tube amps do not, will not ever have the technology to go beyond and do things like:

http://fender.com/promos/2010/ejamming/ ... 95K-2H8-v1

do you get it???

as for the idiotic proclamations that ss/digital will never match or better tube amps, they already do - cyber twin does it, as does jc-120, peavey bandit, yamaha dg-120, and on and on. such philistines.

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johnny stecchino wrote:
incredible proclamations like those above by mr gregory are exactly the failures to communicate at any level i'm talking about. re-reading the post, i might conclude it was written by a snotty teenager with attitude - which might explain a failure to communicate.

tube amps do not, will not ever have the technology to go beyond and do things like:

http://fender.com/promos/2010/ejamming/ ... 95K-2H8-v1

do you get it???

as for the idiotic proclamations that ss/digital will never match or better tube amps, they already do - cyber twin does it, as does jc-120, peavey bandit, yamaha dg-120, and on and on. such philistines.

ciao,
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Johnny, I think you (as moderator) of this post . That you would not resort to personal jabs on someone with an opinion... Its your replies like this one that loses you credibility. Teenager or not ITS HIS OPINION!

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Another tantrum......... Image

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johnny stecchino wrote:
tube amps do not, will not ever have the technology to go beyond and do things like:

http://fender.com/promos/2010/ejamming/ ... 95K-2H8-v1


None of my other musical instruments [trumpets, sax, piano] have that ability either but they're not obsolete or going "out to pasture". Technology has it's place but it is not a replacement for anything musically, it's just another option.


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Johnny did you ever stop to think for one minute that you may be the one and only one who is wrong on this issue.You've been arguing your point endlessly for several days now and not one single person shares your views.Doesn't that tell you something.You are arguing your point with some seasoned musicians with many years experience playing all kinds of amps.I've been gigging for 40+ years and own as I stated before many amps of all types and from the very old tube to current hybred and solid state and I can state unequivocally that no solid state or hybred can capture the tone of a tube amp.These amps-such as my Vox AD120VTH may have sophisticated effects and modeling but still can't quite nail the tube tone.Having said that I'd have no qualms of using the AD120 gigging but it still doesn't have the tube tone.I'm sure many would agree with me. Now why don't you just call it a day, all you've proven is your dogmatic tenacity and you've not swayed anyone's opinion and likely won't no more than anyone can change yours so why not call it quits by saying that we just still agree to disagree.

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cherokee747 wrote:
Another tantrum......... Image

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to the "teenagers" in the crowd, no, i have nothing to apologize for. you got what you deserved (actully not. i held back.).

i do acknowledge that for the type of music you play, the type of gear you use, is a combination that works for you. if that includes some favorite tube amp, then good for you.

but no, i can't say i share the tubester mantra. in fact i find it quite ridiculous. i find the arguments, the proclamations put forward equally ridiculous. i find the lack of educated and factual discourse even more appalling. i think the tube community has expressed itself in the only way it can, kinda like a tired and broken "analog" record.

none has dared to acknowledge the reference to fender's website. very few have put forward reasoned arguments. fewer still take unprejuduced, analytical blind a/b tests seriously. and then you wonder why i can't take some of you seriously? come on kiddies...

and the question remains: in a MODERN (ss/digital) amp, made in the 21st century, what technical marvels would you like to have in it?

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johnny stecchino wrote:
to the "teenagers" in the crowd, no, i have nothing to apologize for. you got what you deserved (actully not. i held back.).

i do acknowledge that for the type of music you play, the type of gear you use, is a combination that works for you. if that includes some favorite tube amp, then good for you.

but no, i can't say i share the tubester mantra. in fact i find it quite ridiculous. i find the arguments, the proclamations put forward equally ridiculous. i find the lack of educated and factual discourse even more appalling. i think the tube community has expressed itself in the only way it can, kinda like a tired and broken "analog" record.

none has dared to acknowledge the reference to fender's website. very few have put forward reasoned arguments. fewer still take unprejuduced, analytical blind a/b tests seriously. and then you wonder why i can't take some of you seriously? come on kiddies...

and the question remains: in a MODERN (ss/digital) amp, made in the 21st century, what technical marvels would you like to have in it?

ciao,
johnny.
Johnny nothing personal,but lets face it ,any "reasoned arguement" with you would be like debating with a wall.And I am sure many here who have tried a spirited debate with you were met with personal jabs.Its not a way to get your point across.I would read bills post above and give it some deep thought.And no matter what,you always need to have the last word,not the sign of a good listener.Thats really all I have to say .


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After spending the last 2 months playing through a solid sate Vox and then last week getting my old 410 DeVille with JJ's on board I am forever going to say tubes now.

The Vox was nice but the difference going between the two was like stepping out an old beat up Lada Riva and then stepping into a Lamborghini Reventon.

People can attempt to emulate anything, some come close, but when it comes to my art and how I make a living close just isn't close enough.

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