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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:46 pm
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But not all valve amps do sound good, do they?

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Voodoo Blues wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that musical instruments seem to be the only industry going backwards in technology? :D


well said. if musical instruments gets stuck in a time warp at 1968 I'll be just fine. My Bandmaster & Bassman will have been made and I'll be jamming.

Not trolling, just added my two cents. Nothing, and I mean nothing, sounds like an amp loaded with warm tubes.

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:08 pm
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has anyone else noticed...???

judging by the flames, knives, arrows, stones and other such paraphernalia from the dark ages chucked at anyone suggesting a more modern approach, hmmm, maybe one would better phrase that as "has anyone noticed that some (very vocal) really want to stay backwards?"

back at the techie ranch, am hoping next generation of amps use ss & digital technologies and go way beyond the cyber twins, real 21st century stuff. tubes only in museums. mouse clicks. computers. usb. software. lots and lots of software. amp in a pc. pc in an amp. internet. ahh, internet.

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:21 pm
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<sniff, sniff>

Still reeks of trolls or agendas, or something.. Why so anti-theentireindustry? Anybody with ears can tell that digital modelling is close, but no cigar. No dagger hurling here; just the honest conviction that you've never crank the amps side-by-sice and compared the quality of sound from both. While you're at it, stop using Fender amps as your sole source of comparison; the new Boogie designs are as modern as digital technology and even more robust in terms of amplifier tone and range.

Simply throwing tubes at a digital modeller does not make it a successful hybrid. There are far better amp/effect combinations available separately. Oh sure, the endorsees are touting the digital stuff now, but it would be interesting to see what they actually record with.... Neanderthal indeed!

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Firstly, I have nothing against new solid state designs. Back when I first used them (late 60s) they were junk by anyone's estimation. But they're very credible today and there are certain sounds that you probably have to go digi to get.

In fact, I have a solid state Bassman 250/210 that has a terrific sound and the advantage of being relatively light for the power. Next to it I have a vintage (1983) Bassman 135 tube head and a 2 X 15" cab. Love the sound but don't feel like carrying it up and down two flights of very steep stairs just to jam, practice or work a small room.

But if I want to get the sound I grew up with (50s and 60s), I have to resort to the old gear. Modeling is close ... in fact, close enough (in my opinion) for anyone doing just a few old tunes in a gig. Why carry around a ton of gear when most of what you play was written after solid state anyway?

However, I play mostly tunes from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s and I'm also not great at technology. So I stick with simple tube amps, simple cars with few electronics, an old mechanical toaster and tie lace shoes :)

But I also use modern stuff. My audio gear is solid state because the slight at best advantage of tubes is more than outweighed by the constant hassle, weight and other factors. And there, I'm playing everything from music written three centuries ago to three weeks ago so I'm not going for some particular locked-in-time sound.

For me, it's all context, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not anti anything but I don't either say we should toss something merely because it isn't new. I seriously doubt that tube amps still existing hamper R&D all that much and I know that tube amps don't in the audio world.


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Point in fact.
Guitar player magazine (this months) May 2010

Readers poll

What technology is in the amp you take on gigs

74.27 % Tubes

9.36% Digital Modeling

9.12 % Analog Solid State

5.15 % Hybrid Analog/Digital

2.11 % Laptop W/ Modeling software

If staying back in the stoneage of technology means having a better sounding rig, well........

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And P.S.

Oh Johnny

A troll really ???

Typical of people with weak arguments, resorting to personal attacks.

Try using the facts when posting here its really the only way to earn respect here.

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Hey, blues bondsman, thank you for the reminder to get this month's issue of Guitar Player. Sounds like their poll is just what the doctor ordered to add to this topic.

Good post - thx


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johnny stecchino wrote:
oh blues bondsman,

would you happen to be a troll by chance???

let's see how that fits.

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:? Forgive my ignorance please, I know I'm a doddering old man and couldn't possibly compete with the obvious professionals that post here..... but since I've been referred to in this thread as a "troll", would someone kindly define this term for me, so I'll know whether or not I've been insulted. Thank you.


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wolfman63 wrote:
johnny stecchino wrote:
oh blues bondsman,

would you happen to be a troll by chance???

let's see how that fits.

ciao baby,
johnny.



:? Forgive my ignorance please, I know I'm a doddering old man and couldn't possibly compete with the obvious professionals that post here..... but since I've been referred to in this thread as a "troll", would someone kindly define this term for me, so I'll know whether or not I've been insulted. Thank you.

Troll generally refers to one who posts a purposely argumentaive message meant just to start a fight. Unfortunatley, as It's been applied here (and far too often all over the "net") it also is used by some to insult people who simply disagree with you on something.


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bbman:

grow up. i pushed troll in your face to see if you liked what you dished out. guess you don't. that was the point in case you missed it. as for weak arguements, resorting to personal attacks, hmmm look in the mirror grasshopper (dialogue from "Kung-Fu" the series, oldsters might remember this series). and if you you don't like that, well TS baby. you get no more respect than what you earn. see you on the far side.

wolfie:

i looked up "troll" in my oxford english dictionary and it does not capture the slang "troll (internet)", so a dictionary probably won't help. i'm an older guy too, i try to keep with youthful expressions, wikipedia helps a lot.

in wikipedia:
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion".
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) for more info, hope it helps.

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OK guys, thanks for the info. Be it known to one and all. I didn't come here to stir up any arguments, cause hard feelings, insult anyone, sell anyone fake Les Pauls, steal anyones woman, or kick anyones dog.......that said, I'll make the statment that there do indeed seem to be a number of the afore mentioned TROLLS in this wood pile. You know who you are. Leave me out of your drama. If any of that statement makes your ears burn, you are the problem. To all others, party on.


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Hey Johnny, I thought you said this was supposed to be a fun thread. Or was that another thread? Anyway, what do you think of the new "Fuse" forum? Is that the kind of interactive connectivity, you were talking about. I'm not jiving!! Is this "Fuse" a technology to connect players? Art

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aclempoppi: many thanks for the reality check - you are 100% right, it's best to just drop it. many thanks.

i haven't checked out the G-DEC Fuse software, it sounds very similar to cyber commander. not sure if it has the real-time internet connectivity though. i tried getting my real-time jam room project lifted off the ground, the only way was to lease high speed lines to eliminate the time delays ( i got them less than 1 millisec user-to-user typical - you could not hear the diff, was using linux servers to host the jam rooms. it worked, but i ended up killing the project, the leased lines were just too expensive. linux servers were converted to W-7 machines and sold off. maybe fuse will succeed where i ran up against a cost wall - i wish the fuse project every success. also, the G-DEC has a USB interface instead of the awkward MIDI interface that the cyber twins have. nice touch. the G-DECs appear to be a lot better supported than the Cyber Twins. yep, that's the stuff i was talking about.

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To those who think the use of the term "troll" here is harmful to their well being, go so far as to call it a personal attack, what did you honestly expect? Proper analogies are "The guitar is centuries old and you idiots keep inventing new ways to keep it hanging around" or better yet: "The Stratocaster has been around for 56 years now and it's had a good run, but darnit, it's time the put it out to pasture!" Blasphemy you say? OF COURSE. That's how tube purists will look at the original post. That's the only way some of them will look at it. Excising something so crucial to the history of the generations that post here, not to mention the continued popularity margin is going to be viewed as infalmmatory and at best written off as a troll post intended to achieve no other purpose than to start arguments. Get over it; tubes aren't going away. The music industry has brought tube production back as a viable reason to continue making them since the Russia stepped into the age of transistors. Let's all just get back to talking about what we love: guitars, namely Strats and the way we do it without sneering at our forum member's choice of amplification, effects, other brands, etc..

Thanks. and Cheers!

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