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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:53 pm
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I used to have nothing but tube amps. Then I found the Cyber Twins. I put the tube amps out to pasture and now I have nothing but Cyber Twins and a Roland JC-120. I'll never again go back to tube amps, the CT's beat out my tube amps and the CT's have their own unique, superb sounds that I prefer. And it's real nice to have several amps in one whenever I need them.

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I started with the Hot Rod Deluxe and then sold it after a year and bought a Frontman 212r and love the clean sound. Then last week, I bought a late 70's JC120 and that thing is also great. Then I came across a really good deal on a used 410 deville and that sounded much better than the HRD I had. Anyway, for the clean I really like the Frontman and the JC120, but I also like the breakup on the deville. I think both solid state and tubes can rock, however for the clean sound I'm more into the Frontman and JC120. One day, I'll try the Cyber as well.


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johnny stecchino wrote:
I used to have nothing but tube amps. Then I found the Cyber Twins. I put the tube amps out to pasture and now I have nothing but Cyber Twins and a Roland JC-120. I'll never again go back to tube amps, the CT's beat out my tube amps and the CT's have their own unique, superb sounds that I prefer. And it's real nice to have several amps in one whenever I need them.

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Hey no reason everybody has to use the same thing or that nobody can use both.

I've been playing through my G-Dec Jr tonight on the Tweed #1 setting--it's my favorite, but if I want a squeaky clean tone I'll put it to the jazzz setting.

Not as good as my Roland, but good.

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As long as there is a demand for tube amps they will not go away. The simple economics of it would lead one to believe that the industry will not do away with them...the profit margin is higher on a tube than on an SS amp. I have both and I love both types...everything has its own uses.


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well, that's the thing of it: perception is reality followed by you get what someone can sell you. like for example: sauve, fashionable cigarettes followed by a desperate cure for cancer. you get the idea - be careful what you ask for.

when it comes to modern amps, especially with the cyber twins, the attempt was to give everyone everything. the cybers deliver an incredible array of tones, and they come pretty close to giving everything to everyone. i am somewhat bowled over by some of the reactionary attitude and throw-back attitudes to yester-decades. finally, we're onto something quite good, really innovative, possibly revolutionary, very 21st century, and it's gimme the same-old same-old. wow. how reactionary.

the trend in innovation appears to be confined to the G-DECs. if there's going to be innovation, it is going to be "digital", "computer-savy", and " networkable". the younger generation is computer savy, definitley not afraid of komputers, and not surprisingly, the G-DECs are aimed at a "entry level" price point, aimed right at the younger generation's budget. eventually they'll grow up and demand a pro-grade G-DEC, kinda like a cyber twin on steroids.

while the G-DEC's are "entry" level, they at least give a glimpse of what can be done. what i am hoping for is pro gear, like the cyber twin, continuing to evolve with a lot more & improved signal processing, "emulations", networkability, with usb interfaces & lots of software, but definitely pro-grade. every time i write about this, all the tubers come crawling out of the wordwork and its the same-old, same-old. but i'll continue to hold a beacon for all those wanting to go beyond.

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So Johnny,
For those of us that don't own a Cyber Twin... What Multi Effects peddle would you recommend?
Not meaning to take the thread from the original question, but what the heck.

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I think I finally understand how Johnny feels!! :idea:


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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:20 pm
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I think if Fender wants to win on the Digital front, they're going to have to bridge the gap between these two amps. They are at the extremes of an amp line up. Maybe something like a slightly reduced feature Cyber single 12" priced in the $500-$700 range and/or maybe the addition a G-Dec with a single 12" and priced in the $400 area.

I'm not giving up on tube amps anytime soon, but I can acknowledge that there's a market for both types of amps.


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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:29 pm
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hi bill,

i know & recommend cyber twins because i have been living with them for about 6 or so years. and of course my jc-120, another really great amp.

personally, i have been impressed by boss & line6 gear, innovative & pretty good sounds. never played with digitech, this gear seems to have a following too. but i can't say that i've accrued enough experience for a recommendation.

i know there are a lot of specialized effects out there (like the fender reverb). it's almost impossible to recommend such a unit - it's something that simply appeals to you and you decide you have to have it - it's very personal.

might i suggest a laptop & software? it's a lot less expensive than a couple $k bucks of pedals, a lot more versatile, with tones as good as or better. some tubers took shots at this notion, but their unwillingless to try something new and exciting shouldn't stop you. definitely something to consider.

hi fhopkins,

ahhhh. we are connecting! think some more about what i've been pushing for. yes indeed, we should have better than the same-old same-old and that's exactly my message!

hi rlecocq,
don't worry about fender. focus on us & what we should have & where we want to be. fender will listen.

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on the laptop and software, good if you only play at home, not so good if you play live - the chance of the laptop getting stolen, trashed as well as setup time make it great for home only.

I'd go down to a music store and try out several of them for not only the tones and effects and how they sound to you, but also how you like their controls and navigation - the new Boss looks interesting/simple with lots of knobs, which could be up your alley. Many of these multipedals have a USB port to download updated tones, or to use as an audio input to your laptop. Plus, you can throw one of these in the car without fear of them breaking.

Good luck. I don't have a horse in this race as I enjoy my pedalboard with 12 different pedals, but a multi-effect pedal will be cheaper and get you some great sounds.

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SO, WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? SOME LIKE SS, AND SOME LIKE TUBES, AND I GUESS I'M AN OUTCAST CAUSE I THINK BOTH HAVE THEIR SONIC, AND OTHER ADVANTAGES. WHY ARGUE ABOUT IT? GC,MF AND ALL THE REST ARE GONNA GO ON SELLING BOTH. WE ARE ALL GONNA GO ON BUYING THEM. BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR OWN LIKES AND DISLIKES IS GREAT TO A POINT, BUT IN REALITY, SOME OF THE POSTS HERE GO A LITTLE OVER THE LINE. "TUBIES VS. THE TECHYS". I'M HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOUR CHOICE IN AMP TECHNOLOGY, BUT BACK OFF TELLING ME I'M WRONG ABOUT MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES. TO THOSE WHO WOULD JUDGE - WHO DONE #2 IN YOUR POCKET AND MADE YOU KING? THIS IS JUST ANOTHER "MY DAD CAN WHIP YOUR DAD" EXCHANGE WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF BEING RESOLVED. I PERSONALLY HAVE BOTH TUBE AND SS, AND COMBINATIONS OF BOTH. I HAVE KEPT THE ONES THAT SOUND GOOD AND PERFORM WELL, AND KICKED THE REST TO THE CURB. I'VE HAD BAD SOUNDING TUBERS, BUT NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS THE SS'S I'VE GOTTEN RID OF. IN REALITY THE ONLY REAL ALL TUBE AMPS ARE HAND WIRED POINT TO POINT UNITS WITH NO PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARDS, SO MOST ARE SORT OF HYBRIDS ANYWAY. BUT LET'S ALL PLAY NICE AND STOP THE BICKERING OVER AMPS - IT'S COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.[/i]


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wolfman63 wrote:
SO, WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? SOME LIKE SS, AND SOME LIKE TUBES, AND I GUESS I'M AN OUTCAST CAUSE I THINK BOTH HAVE THEIR SONIC, AND OTHER ADVANTAGES. WHY ARGUE ABOUT IT? GC,MF AND ALL THE REST ARE GONNA GO ON SELLING BOTH. WE ARE ALL GONNA GO ON BUYING THEM. BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR OWN LIKES AND DISLIKES IS GREAT TO A POINT, BUT IN REALITY, SOME OF THE POSTS HERE GO A LITTLE OVER THE LINE. "TUBIES VS. THE TECHYS". I'M HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOUR CHOICE IN AMP TECHNOLOGY, BUT BACK OFF TELLING ME I'M WRONG ABOUT MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES. TO THOSE WHO WOULD JUDGE - WHO DONE #2 IN YOUR POCKET AND MADE YOU KING? THIS IS JUST ANOTHER "MY DAD CAN WHIP YOUR DAD" EXCHANGE WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF BEING RESOLVED. I PERSONALLY HAVE BOTH TUBE AND SS, AND COMBINATIONS OF BOTH. I HAVE KEPT THE ONES THAT SOUND GOOD AND PERFORM WELL, AND KICKED THE REST TO THE CURB. I'VE HAD BAD SOUNDING TUBERS, BUT NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS THE SS'S I'VE GOTTEN RID OF. IN REALITY THE ONLY REAL ALL TUBE AMPS ARE HAND WIRED POINT TO POINT UNITS WITH NO PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARDS, SO MOST ARE SORT OF HYBRIDS ANYWAY. BUT LET'S ALL PLAY NICE AND STOP THE BICKERING OVER AMPS - IT'S COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.[/i]
Ah first off, you can turn the caps off. :roll: And secondly,this is an open forum ,so if you dont like whats being said ,dont read.People are passionate about their opinions ,and as long as they are respectful to others,they can say what they want.As far as point to point amps being the only real tube amps,the only advantage of point to point is they are easier to work on.Tonewise they dont sound any better.If you take well built pcb amp like a DRRI or the Egnater amps it is just as reliable as any point to point.


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I've owned three cyber twin combos and one head with the 4 x12 cab.

I keep trying to love them and after about 60 days with one, it goes away.

Just sold the last one a couple of weeks ago.

I've A/B'd them with everything else I own, 59 bassman RI, 65 Deluxe Reverb RI, original blues deville (1993) and a 1940's Princeton.

Believe me I wanted to find the right tweeques and settings to make it come alive, however in compasison (side by side) its a very dull sounding amp.

Again do some research before you get all (you don't know how to set it up) and you'll see I own and play more vintage fender tube amps than your normal poster here and I also repair amps and guitars.

Power tube overdrive is what it is and cannot be duplicated digitally.

Sometimes change for change is bad !!!
The old technology in this case is just better.

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budglo, frightfully sorry I upset you so. You are quite passionate. What's wrong with the print? Hurt your eyes? What does it really matter what size or how bold the print is? My sincerest apology for offending you....
If you open up any modern tube amp, you are likely as not going to find ic's on the pc board which are not found in point to point wired amps. Those are solid state devices. I was not saying that printed circuit boards are bad, just that amps with them are not exclusivly tube circuitry. I did not comment in order to start an argument. I was just stating opinions which, according to you, everyone is free to express in this forum. Have a drink, and take a deep breath or two. :) and don't get your knickers in a twist. If there is scolding to be done let the administrator or moderator do it. Have a nice day :lol:


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