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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:14 am
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This is quite an epic post and here is my 2 cents worth.

I realise the advantages and the technology that goes into SS. I bought my first electric back in '92 and played it through an SS Princeton Chorus which many people consider one of the best SS amps available at the time. Don't get me wrong, it WAS a good amp and served me well for nearly 15 years with NO trouble at all. Last year I bought a Line 6 modelling amp and was blown away by the sheer versatility of this little gem.

A bit over a week ago I bought my first tube amp and for the first time in years I find myself itching to play ALL THE TIME. I think about playing when I get up in the morning. I think about it on my way home from work. When I'm about to go to sleep at night, I want to just plug in and play "for just another 10 minutes".

There is just something about it which I can't describe but it inspires me to play. And I feel my playing is improving because I have a new found enthusiasm for it. And that has to be good. Doesn't it?

There's nothing wrong with old tech if that's what you like or you feel it gives you the extra Mojo you need. Afterall if we're playing Strats or Teles we're using 60 year old designs. If something goes wrong with the tubes in my amp, then I'll fix it or replace them. Then keep playing some more.

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This topic/thread is getting to be older than many tube amps, maybe it's time to put it out to pasture. :lol:

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:34 pm
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I just watched a guy pick up a 50 dollar guitar and plug it into a 50 dollar amp that someone brought back to a store because he didn't think it sounded right....well it was kind of like playing pool with a crooked stick....put it in the hands of someone thats good and and it don't make a difference....that guy rung more sound out of that setup then someone with a room full of equiptment....


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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:36 pm
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sandman46733 wrote:
I just watched a guy pick up a 50 dollar guitar and plug it into a 50 dollar amp that someone brought back to a store because he didn't think it sounded right....well it was kind of like playing pool with a crooked stick....put it in the hands of someone thats good and and it don't make a difference....that guy rung more sound out of that setup then someone with a room full of equiptment....


Funny how that happens more than a lot of us tone snobs want to admit, isn't it?

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:42 am
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i believe that's absolutely true. it depends on the player's ability most of all. good players sound good no matter what they play.

peterp, so why do you bother showing up?

this is a healthy debate - many thanks to the professional musicians who have come forward to share their knowledge with us passionate amateurs. i (among many here) greatly appreciate your insights and wisedom.

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msvolpe wrote:
we'll probably be operating solely off of our cell phones by then.

iPhone, iPad, iGuitar lol


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If you take all of the add ons like effects, and whatever else you can plug in then hook this all up to a monster amp blasting at the point of deafness and you have no idea what a guitar is supposed to sound like. I used to be there and after a while I decided that I wasn't really making music after all, I was just making noise to a crowd that was usually drunk enough not to even notice if you played a bad chord or not.

My old twin could hold it's own just about anyplace we played but one day I went with some friends and we listened to some good old down home bluegrass, no amps, no effects, just mics and natural sounding instruments and I heard music being played and it sounded good. I think electric instruments are fine but we need to come back to the more natural sound they are supposed to make not all this wild stuff that makes them sound like everything they are not. But thats just my oponion...I like the tubes and Jeeps....and you might like the SS and Fords....but we all like music and thats what counts....keep pick'in


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This is much like the on going debates over "vinyl vs. CD (and now MP3's)".

My SS amp has it's issues. Anything mechanical and electric will always have some issue to deal will from time to time.

I like SS because:
1)I don't have to bother with changing or replacing tubes.
2) (And most important to me in this time of economic strife...) they cost less! A Fender 100 watt SS can go for just under $300.00
But, when I sign that big recording contract, I'll get tube amps :P

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Yeah Sandman, I'm of the opinion that keeping up your acoustic playing, helps you find the electric sounds you need to really express yourself. Don't know if it's a matter of keeping your ears grounded or what. But over the years, I've found my playing acoustic in a gospel-bluegrass group has always helped my electric blues playing. And as an amp tech it has caused an on-going tone quest with a '68 Bassman, I've been tweaking for two years or more. BTW Johnny, it's nice to revisit the thread. I think you said this was supposed to be a fun thread. Art

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i think you're begining to know me. i do have have fun being the bad boy.

that being said, i hope the envelope of what can be done and should be done gets pushed hard. and why not, if we're going to create and innovate, then let's have some fun pushing that envelope!

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OK... Tell me about a solid state amp that replicates exactly my 1953 Magnatone Custom 410 sound and I might then listen, however Valve amps sound different , warmer than solid state circuits and are more versatile when playing R/B, Blues and Rock, not to mention that each Deluxe Reverb sounds different than the next.

I'll take my champ 600, hot-rod deluxe B/T or the magnatone over my Crate 65... Yes the Crate is good, but it's like comparing Britney Spears voice to Annie Haslam.... No contest..


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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:37 pm
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I think it is entirely up to the individual. If you don't like tube, buy a digital amp. Cyber Twin or G-Dec...to name a couple. No need for tubes amps to go to pasture.

Both of my digital amps have given me more trouble than my all tube Traynor...which wouldn't be all that different from a pro Fender tube amp.


Besides...I just love the smell of tubes cooking!


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Hey Mag, I'm not familiar with the vocal qualities of Annie Haslam, where would I be able to hear her? At any rate I like the analogy of comparing Brittney Spears with lets say Aretha Franklin. Haven't heard that much of Ms. Spears, but years ago when I first heard her sing, I thought, man she's gonna be so great as her voice and music progress. So I'm of a mind that the digital amp, like Ms Spears, are just in the beginning stages of a long and soulful career. So how's that 410 holding up? A friend has been after me to work on his stereo 280 for a while now, but I know it's going to be a real adventure, so I've been putting it off. Art

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Annie Haslam was (is) the lead singer with the english band Renaissance.
She only had a Five Octave range, not too much.. compared to us mere mortals.
Renaissance was first created by 2 of the Yardbirds, Keith Relf and Jim McCarty. That version of Renaissance was very different than the follow up.
Lyrics on many songs were written by Betty Thatcher, their 1972 album Prologue begins with a Rachmaninov Piano intro. One could describe them as Prog Rock, Prog Folk, in the vein of Yes, Genesis.

To this day I find their music refreshing if I want to listen to not quite classical but neither Rock.
The group's members are all on par with Wakeman or Steve Howe or any one else of that era and today.

Check the hardcopy issue of Classic Rock Mag. Issue #12 December 2009
There is a good 4 page review of the band past to present


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I played a solid state Ultmate Chorus for 13 years. I know its older and not a modelling amp but it took me 1 hour on a Blues Jr to know that I like tubes more than SS. I didn't even like the Blues Jr and I returned for a Traynor! Unless tubes are never made again, I will never go back!

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