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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:58 am
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I'm certainly not a professional, but my advice would be to use it if it suits the situation(s) in which you are playing. Need more volume? Of course mic it, if it provides you with the sound you prefer. But I'm of the school of thought that musical instruments are for playing, not collecting. Go for it!

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Heck yeah you can gig with it! Mic that thing up and let her rip! If you like the tone, you'll get the same tone out of the Front of House speakers. Just make sure you use a good mic like a Shure SM57 or equivalent. Let us know any questions you may have about micing an amp live.

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You won't get the same tone out of the house speakers LOL. It's not just the mic, it's the PA system, speakers and sound man too. A bad sound man can kill the tone of any amp.Yes you will need to mic or run a 3x12 or 2x10 extension cab will help. The more air you move the louder the amp will appear to sound.


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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:03 pm
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You can't possibly get the same sound out of the amp if you mic it. It's just not logical. Once you put the signal from your amp through a microphone and then through a totally different amplifier, it takes on the characteristics of the mic and the second amplifier.

Your amp has a particular circuitry that pushes through a particular speaker(s) whose harmonics are blended in a particular enclosure that produces the sound you're hearing when you use the amplifier on its own. Once you mic it, that sound is now picked up and carried through a microphone that has its own characteristics in how it picks up sound. It then picks up your original signal and transfers it via its own electronics to a different amplifier with different circuitry and amplifies it into speakers with different characteristics than the one(s) in your amplifier.

While those of you on stage or in direct line of your amplifier may hear exactly what you are musically relating, everyone else will hear something different.

That's not to say it's a bad thing. It's just not the same.


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Ok, ok, it's not exactly the same, jeez. But, it is pretty much the standard practice for using a small amp on stage and as long as your sound man is not a total moron you'll be fine.

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Jeez. I just had to say it again. :lol:

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I have gigged for 4 years on a Princeton Reverb with a loud rock band. most of those shows just with the amp by itself, some with a 1x12 extension cab with a Celestion. Many times, with a mic that's all you need and it sounds fine both on stage (lower volume) and out front. I could hear myself over a drum set and a bass player next to me, partially through my amp and partially through the monitor mix. To be clear, my princeton was modded with a Deluxe Reverb output transformer, so it's a little beefier than stock.

Mike Campbell from Tom Petty uses a Princeton live as his main amp with a mic on it - facing backward from the audience (see the GP article from a few years ago). He seems OK with the sound...

For most shows, you don't want too loud! Good PAs can reproduce an amp pretty well and make sure that you blend in with the mix vs. killing it. Part of the challenge is making sure you have a good mic, good tone, and time to work with the FOH so that you can hear the guitar the way you want. I tried multiple mics and found that a Sennheiser e609 hung down over the amp works great and lets me get the best tone to FOH and the monitor mixes.

Are some bar PAs crap? Yes. But beyond that, most clubs can get a better sound out of your guitar -- and a better overall mix -- from a Princeton than from a Marshall 50 watt stack or a Super Reverb. How many times have you been to a show where the guitar player is drowning out the rest of the band because he needed 100 watts in a 75 person club? It's painful and unneccessary today.

Maybe you've had a bad experience Doowop, but in the 21st century, speakers, mixers and mics have come a long way.

Too much guitar in the monitors - if you have the luxury of several mixes, this is easily solved. We have a minimum of 2 mixes in our band - one for the vocalist and one for the rest of us.

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Q. "Is it smart?"

A. Very smart. It's a proven fact that your IQ will go up 10 points if you do. :wink:

Q. "Should I mike it?"

A. Only when you have to. Don't know what type of music you play but if it's jazz or some type of music where you don't have to worry about being drowned out by the drums then don't mike it.

Dude, it's a princeton reverb reissue. Sweet amp.

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If you don't own a mic, I'd suggest either:

Shure SM57 - the standard for a good reason - sounds good. There's a company called Z-Bar that makes an angled bar (shaped oddly-enough like a Z) that lets you place it under your amp or under the handle and holds the mic right where you want. Great for eliminating a mic stand.

I've used 57's, but found on my Princeton Reverb I was happiest with a Sennheiser e609, which doesn't even need a stand - it hangs over the top of the amp. The e906 is supposedly even better, but it's almost twice the price.

One thing that may also help you - don't play with your amp on the floor - get it either tilted back with a stand, or up on a road case so that the sound is pointed towards your ears vs. your ankles - makes a huge difference.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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