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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:01 pm
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Supro, you are right about people thinking the Hr is the best thing since sliced bread.When I bought my first Blues jr I thought is was a great sounding amp, but I never really played a drri or eqivilent,so I didnt have anything to compare it to.Same with the hr.Even gigged with both and bought a blues deluxe and sold the hr.All of them are similar sounding.After I was looking for something different , I found my 59 Bassman ri and it opened up a whole new world of tone for me.It has such tight bass and definition.Total different realm tonally.


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Supro, you are right about people thinking the Hr is the best thing since sliced bread.When I bought my first Blues jr I thought is was a great sounding amp, but I never really played a drri or eqivilent,so I didnt have anything to compare it to.Same with the hr.Even gigged with both and bought a blues deluxe and sold the hr.All of them are similar sounding.After I was looking for something different , I found my 59 Bassman ri and it opened up a whole new world of tone for me.It has such tight bass and definition.Total different realm tonally.

Realise we are not all made of money, not over 30 and many arent lucky enough to have anything to compare it too.

I know many people who love them and haven't had them fail. I have plenty to compare mine to but I love the tone I get BECAUSE THAT IS ME AND THAT IS WHAT I SOUND LIKE!!!!

Its a tone thing, a money thing and in some cases an age thing....

I'm gettin sick of this!

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The Deluxe Reverb is legendary. You can pick up a used DRRI for less than a HRD series amp. Tone is subjective. Hot Rod amp aren't really cheap either. I'm not made of money either. That's why I get so pissed when I plunk down my hard earned cash and wind up with a dog.

So it really doesn't boil down to a money thing. It's just a preference. thing. To me though, it's a reliability thing. Tone I can change very easily with tubes, speakers and a twist of a knob or a box. Reliability is the most important thing to me. Anything you play out of will sound like you. You can take that to the bank.


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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:20 pm
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Where I live a DRRI costs a few hundred pounds more than an HRD and there aren't many places AT ALL to aquire a used one. 200-300 quid can be a HUGE difference to a teenager who is at school!!!

I'm speaking on behalf of all the young guys who work hard for a year doin chores and odd-jobs to get their first tube amp. Guys who scrimp and save and are proud to have it.

We know you dont like the HRD, $@!&, I think my Gran knows how much you hate it and it would honestly take a few days to read the posts from you bashing it supro. I have yet to meet someone in the flesh who has had one fail and I am a professional musician and have been pro or semi pro for over 10 years.

Everytime there is a thread with HRD in the title you can bet your arse that it's your name you see in the last post collumn.

Sometimes it's good to just leave it, depending on the subject of course, to those that appreciate the amp.

Either that or change your name to brokenrecord. We all know the forum is opinion based and you of course are more than entitled to yours and for the most part, for what it's worth, you are one of the guys here I respect the most but Jesus is this getting tiring!!

Bank that 5h1t.

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Things are a bit different where I live.. You can pick up used HRD series amps for less than $300-400 and DRRI less than $600 USD. Don't know what that translates to in your currency.

Those who appreciate the amp are usually no help to people who have problems with it. I know, usually I'll try to help with the problem then suggest the person sell the amp, then the other happy owners jump in to defend the amp and that's when things escalate. I apologize. I'll try my best to keep a lid on it.

I have the opposite experience you have. I know many musicians who had HRD failures. For close friends I'll re-solder tube sockets or replace the 5 watt resistors, help with tube nad speaker replacement to save them a trip to the shop. I too made my living for 20+ years as a professional musician so I pretty much know what it's like.


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I know you did Sup and thats one of the reasons I respect you so much. All I'm askin is that you take EVERYONE into account. Think of those guys from poor families whose parents sacrificed a lot to get them that amp. Things like that.

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And theres no reason to apologise either man. We ALL should just be more careful into takin things into account.

Have a good one.

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Post subject: NOW I GET IT!!
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I agree with Celtics comment.............
So I spent some time investigating and informing myself about Fender amp history, and now i get it......I guess I still haven´t tried the real enchilada yet!! The holy grails 57 twin, Vibroking Custom, 64 Vibroverb, 59 Bassman). I´m a big boy now and can give myself the pleasure of having one of those babies, time to upgrade!!!......Guru expertise would be welcome now!!!. Can u recommend one for my style? (Fender of course)........to keep it simple 60% of what I play is clean, 20% "vintage dist", 20% "Dead metal dist". I need a cristal clear amp sound with lots punch and reverb, BUT, that can handle a very heavy dist pedal too. with this i mean i plug the jackson and might wanna play dead metal even, just to name an extreme, and if the amp has different channels for dist (like my hrd), even better, but i know many of those Vintage do not. Currently I don´t use many effects, just the external dist pedal (metal zone), the 2 distortions i get from the amp (in a hrd), a wah, and a Electroharonix Deluxe Memory Man, and that´s it. I don´t like to carry a lot of gear, and like to keep it simple.
So far according 2 my current needs, a Blues Deville Issue sounds like the best choice, but, since i really havent tried those Fender Holy Grails, and some of u have, can give me a better perspective. Thanks. :o


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If you like the 4-10 configuration, you might want to check out the super reverb.Better cleans than the deville , but not as much headroom.But the reverb is to die for .Personally , i prefer the 59 bassman ri, but you want reverb.I dont really know if the Fender amps are ideal for metal though, but you cant beat the cleans.


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Thanx, do u think the Pro Tube series, the twin amp would suit my needs? I see it has the drive channel integrated, and sais it´s good 4 effects.


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The Twin is a great amp. I've had my SF Twin since 76. It stays clean until your ears ache and takes pedals great. My Twin finally had a cap job after 30 years. It never failed even once and only saw a couple of tube changes in all that time. It is heavy but it does have casters. The Super Reverb is also a great amp.


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Vintage Blonde wrote:
Thanx, do u think the Pro Tube series, the twin amp would suit my needs? I see it has the drive channel integrated, and sais it´s good 4 effects.



Sounds to me like your looking for a twin or a supersonic. The supersonic combo is great when it comes to sparkly cleans and pretty heavy distortion. You wont get mesa triple-rect style sound, but ive faked it pretty well with just a Boss DS-1. It handles all my pedals very well. (EH Small stone, Digitech Overdrive +delay, Digitech Whammy, Dunlop Wah)

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63supro wrote:
budglo, the difference in the reverb is it's solid state driven where the older amps were tube driven. But we just don't want to confuse it with digital reverb which seems to be where a lot of amps are going. I've heard some pedals using the Belton Digi-Log Reverb module and they actually sound quite good. I'm not really a reverb snob, but I do like it to sound like natural room reverb when I use it which is part of what the classic Fender sound was all about. The HRDlx's reverb sounds awful. I never used it on mine. You lose a lot of note definition to the reverb in the HRDlx. Again, if you don't know any better, you'll think the reverb on the HRDlx is the mutts nuts.

Build Your Own Clone has a kit using the Belton Digi-Log Reverb module. It's fairly cheap and sounds pretty impressive so I may do that route for the Egnater.

People like to defend the brand or model of whatever they bought. Stuff like that doesn't bother me because we all have different tastes. The thing is, If you have no point of reference, it's just personal taste and nothing more. I've owned the HRDlx, I know what it can or can't do. I've owned many different models of so-called "Classic" Fender amps so I have a reference point. I bought the HRDlx because it wasn't a classic Fender sound, but was still a Fender which used ti mean quality. I wanted something different. I knew I could tame the drive channels through experience with tube amps. I was going to replace the speaker but the amp was so unreliable, I didn't want to waste the time.

Sorry Vintage Blonde, it is what it is. You're happy with your HRDlx, just dig the amp as long as you can. Don't take my harsh opinion of the amp as a personal insult because it wasn't meant that way.


I love my HRD3, I know what U mean with the reverb, I have mine on 2 and 3 max as above that its just to much, I do like it on 2 though. What pedal would you recomend for the HRD to get a better overdrive sound, and some say they have pedals for the overdrive channel, would U recommend that or recommend a pedal for the clean channel, overdrive sucks on these amps and luckily I play clean more and thats why I bought the amp


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You''d have to try them out for yourself. The Fulltone OCD nice. I have two BYOC British Blues Overdrive pedals that I built. One modded for single coils one stock. When I had my HRDlx I put a set of JJ's in it and it tamed the drive channels a bit. They still sucked and were too difficult to dial in because of the shared EQ. Those amps are not true three channel amps by any stretch of the imagination.

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