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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:01 pm
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You can't discuss mid-priced Fender amps, especially the Hot Rod Deluxe.


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I tried a deville and a twin, i don´t own them, to me, they just sounded louder, maybe i don´t have the super guru ears like yours.

Ok, so according to you a Fender Hotrod does NOT have a Fender tone, and the tubes don´t give a Fender tone........So then, I must be crazy and my hearing must be impaired!.........By the way, my amp has a Fender Reissue Gold laber speaker.

If it´s such a piece of crap, I wonder how it´s still being produced continuously after more than 15 years............do u think Fender enjoys the hassle and the bad fame of a bad product? I don´t think so, they have a reputation to keep.

And simply, if my amp has worked flawless during 15 years and everyone raves about it´s sound, i just can´t take your opinion seriously, no matter how big of a gurus u are in Fender amps, with all due respect!


The Gold Label in the HRDlx is a low end Eminence, nothing special and many people swap them out. Fender makes them because people buy them. No more, no less. If the sound is so great, why do so many people mod them? LOL


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Ok so according to you a Fender Hotrod does not have a Fender tone? yeah right!, The tubes don´t give a nice tone?........maybe u should hear mine, want me to send you some recordings?
Whether it has a nice "tone" isnt being disputed.The fact that it doesnt have the "classic Fender " tone is.By classic Fender tone , people are refering to the tweed tone of say a 59 bassman or 57 deluxe or the blackface tone of the twin reverb or super reverb.The fact that it has tubes and the Fender logo are irrelevant.So does my Blues Jr, but it isnt the "Fender "tone.My blues deluxe actually has decent tone.My 59 bassman puts it to shame in the tone department.Much better dynamics,more character and more articulate.The overdriven tones are probably the best that Fender has to offer.


Ok thankfully i´m not that old to have tried a 57 deluxe or a 59 bassman.....lol

I´d greatfully appreciate if you could xplain accurately what Vintage Fender tone is for all of you expert gurus, because to me and my defective hearing, a Fender tone is simply a Fender amp with Tubes with lots of reverb in the clean channel.


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Vintage Blonde wrote:
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Ok so according to you a Fender Hotrod does not have a Fender tone? yeah right!, The tubes don´t give a nice tone?........maybe u should hear mine, want me to send you some recordings?
Whether it has a nice "tone" isnt being disputed.The fact that it doesnt have the "classic Fender " tone is.By classic Fender tone , people are refering to the tweed tone of say a 59 bassman or 57 deluxe or the blackface tone of the twin reverb or super reverb.The fact that it has tubes and the Fender logo are irrelevant.So does my Blues Jr, but it isnt the "Fender "tone.My blues deluxe actually has decent tone.My 59 bassman puts it to shame in the tone department.Much better dynamics,more character and more articulate.The overdriven tones are probably the best that Fender has to offer.


Ok thankfully i´m not that old to have tried a 57 deluxe or a 59 bassman.....lol

I´d greatfully appreciate if you could xplain accurately what Vintage Fender tone is for all of you expert gurus, because to me and my defective hearing, a Fender tone is simply a Fender amp with Tubes with lots of reverb in the clean channel.
Youtube is your friend.First you have to be able to distinguish the difference between blackface and tweed tone ,then compare it to what you have.I believe the fender site has demo videos.Actually , the Bassman and other tweed amps have no reverb whatsoever.The reverb of the hotrod is solid state and the blackface is tube driven.Quite a bit of difference in sound.


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fender tone to me is clear even when the amp is driven to saturation(notice i didn't say gain), punchy, sweet reverb at any level(yeh..the hrd and bdri are s.s.)loud...yeh i've had the oppertunity to play a real vintage tweed amp '55 or'56 twin it belongs to an old family friend and an awesome picker and a real '64 super both really different amps but have the fender sounds i still seek to this day. i buy what i can afford and if the hot rod amps don't sound like fender amps from yesterday it's because they an't.but they are fender. i think Leo is smiling. they aren't bad at all.


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Hey Budglo i never thought the bassman and other tweed amps didn´t have Reverb, (4give my ignorance), so maybe 4 you a classic Fender tone is somewhat "dry"?, r u sure the reverb of the hrd is solid state? to my ears it sounds beautiful and i see 5 tubes sticking out!

If classic Fender tone is dry, i don´t like it, zero.

I like it punchy, warm, with lots of reverb.

It´d be nice to give examples in music of what "classic" fender tone is (it seems like each has a diffrent opinion) to me a classic fender tone would be Roy Buchanan or S R V. I suppose there must be older artists that have that super vintage (dry?) Fender tone, I´d love to hear them.


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Vintage Blonde wrote:
Hey Budglo i never thought the bassman and other tweed amps didn´t have Reverb, (4give my ignorance), so maybe 4 you a classic Fender tone is somewhat "dry"?, r u sure the reverb of the hrd is solid state? to my ears it sounds beautiful and i see 5 tubes sticking out!

If classic Fender tone is dry, i don´t like it, zero.

I like it punchy, warm, with lots of reverb.

It´d be nice to give examples in music of what "classic" fender tone is (it seems like each has a diffrent opinion) to me a classic fender tone would be Roy Buchanan or S R V. I suppose there must be older artists that have that super vintage (dry?) Fender tone, I´d love to hear them.
Well dont forget SRV used tons of amps,many of them not even Fender.Most people associate him with the Super Reverb.There are different "classic "Fender sounds.Dick Dale and his surf music with the Twin Reverb,Robert Cray with the Vibroking,Buddy Guy with the 59 Bassman, Eric Clapton and his 57 Tweed Twin,etc.Your best bet is search the demos here on the Fender website.They have demos of many of the amplifiers mentioned, all quite different in their own rite.BTW, the reverb in the HR is definately solid state.If you want an example of tube driven reverb , try a super reverb,twin reverb, etc.It is more rich sounding than the hr.I know , I have had a hotrod and presently own a blues deluxe ri.I also used to own a 75 super reverb.Its when you crank the reverb up to say 6 or higher that the differences become evident.


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You can also go to a guitar shop and demo a Super Sonic combo (tube) and the HRD (SS) to compare the reverb in case you can't find a blackface.


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I'm no expert guru! Old Fender; Bob Willis and the Texas Playboys(Ed Shamblin) , BB King in the early '50s, Tampa Red, John Lee Hooker, Earl Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, and T Bone Walker are just a few. ART

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budglo, the difference in the reverb is it's solid state driven where the older amps were tube driven. But we just don't want to confuse it with digital reverb which seems to be where a lot of amps are going. I've heard some pedals using the Belton Digi-Log Reverb module and they actually sound quite good. I'm not really a reverb snob, but I do like it to sound like natural room reverb when I use it which is part of what the classic Fender sound was all about. The HRDlx's reverb sounds awful. I never used it on mine. You lose a lot of note definition to the reverb in the HRDlx. Again, if you don't know any better, you'll think the reverb on the HRDlx is the mutts nuts.

Build Your Own Clone has a kit using the Belton Digi-Log Reverb module. It's fairly cheap and sounds pretty impressive so I may do that route for the Egnater.

People like to defend the brand or model of whatever they bought. Stuff like that doesn't bother me because we all have different tastes. The thing is, If you have no point of reference, it's just personal taste and nothing more. I've owned the HRDlx, I know what it can or can't do. I've owned many different models of so-called "Classic" Fender amps so I have a reference point. I bought the HRDlx because it wasn't a classic Fender sound, but was still a Fender which used ti mean quality. I wanted something different. I knew I could tame the drive channels through experience with tube amps. I was going to replace the speaker but the amp was so unreliable, I didn't want to waste the time.

Sorry Vintage Blonde, it is what it is. You're happy with your HRDlx, just dig the amp as long as you can. Don't take my harsh opinion of the amp as a personal insult because it wasn't meant that way.


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No probs Supro, u seem like u know a lot about this, my references are a twin a deville, a marshall valvestate (that one really sucks), a Crate, an old Ross amp. So i do have a reference.
We all have different tastes, I do not agree that the reverb of the hrd sucks, at least not in mine.
Yes people tend to defend what they bought (if they had a good experience with it), also, some people that had a defective product tend to put it down by default, speaking more with the gut, (also don´t take it personal).


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No problem. There are tons of people like myself who had the same problems as I did and more. It's not really a gut thing. I know a lot of musicians who bought a HRD series mail order without even trying it and sent it back in a week. I didn't believe these guys when they told me how poorly they were constructed. After all it's a Fender right? The same company I trusted for 40 years. Mine never cut a mix well unless I was on stage with musicians playing similar amps. That was weird.


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Just to chip in on my side of the coin as usual. I have used an HRDeVille for 6 years, never a problem, love the reverb, know many who do.

Steve Van Zandt, Izzy Stradlin, Strokes etc, etc.

63 Supro had a bad one, many, many have but many, many more have not.

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In my xperience a HRDX at 5 will sound horrible, and with a dist pedal even worse (at least mine), one thing i know about my amp is that i cannot set the volume higher than 3, 4 tops, whenever i need more volume I mic it. I always use it at 3.
I think those other amps maybe had larger speakers?


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