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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:37 pm
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Not every amp. Just the Hot Rod Series. The reissues are fine. I've been playing mostly Fender amps for 40 years and the HRDlx was the first and last one I'll buy from them. I sold it because it started giving me problems after the return policy.


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hay , lets all go to the egnater site, maybe we can learn about fenders. sorry dude just busting your chops. egnaters do sound cool but they just don't have that fender punch in their sound. rock on ...or blues on...or whatever.


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63 Sup: If you had a bad xperience with the HRD, does not mean all of them are sht. It looks as if you really hate it. As u know mine is perfect and sounds incredible, my xperience doesn´t count? but i cannot let you say the tone of the HRDX is cheesy, i mean, you want me to send u some recordings i´ve done with it?
I can get an awesome tone!....what the heck are u talking about?!

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Yeah, whatever dude.
They do talk about Fender amps on Egnater's Rig Talk Forum. And like myself it's unbiased opinion. The Fender Forum discuss amps other than Fender too. Also unbiased. I've owned many Fender amps over the years and still own a few and the Egnater Rebel 20 carries it's weight just as well as any low wattage Fender amp and cuts a mix better than the Hot Rod Deluxe I previously owned. Plus so far it hasn't failed on stage yet. Knock on wood. Oh wait, the Egnater's cabinet is actually made of Birch, not press-board. :roll:

The HRD series didn't get it's shoddy rep for no reason. Don't take it so personal, it's just an amp. Lots of people don't like the SF Twins. I've had mine for 30 years same with my 72 Strat. It works for me. That's all I care about. I rant because I wish they would take the HRD series to the next level and fix it's design flaws. Then I would consider another one.


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63 Sup: If you had a bad xperience with the HRD, does not mean all of them are sht. It looks as if you really hate it. As u know mine is perfect and sounds incredible, my xperience doesn´t count? but i cannot let you say the tone of the HRDX is cheesy, i mean, you want me to send u some recordings i´ve done with it?
I can get an awesome tone!....what the heck are u talking about?!

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Tone is an individual thing. One man's tone could be another man's tone turd.
I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are. entitled to yours .I do hate it. I'm glad I dumped it. It embarrassed me on stage three separate times. It let me down so I had to bring out my backup and disrupt the show. I know what they sound like I owned one. One is not really magically better than another. That's why they use PCB's to keep the tone pretty much the same from amp to amp.


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Energizer Bunny! :cry:


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ok , back to the original topic , i recently put the fst mod from gt but i already had a at7 so i just bought the ax7c tubes and that realy changed the whole character of my amp. realy for the better the whole control issues mostly went away. i now run my controls set at bass3 treb6 mid5 gain4 mast7 pres3 and use a e.c. strat. this amp can go from champ to twin respectfully. mine is a bdri. i realy use the guitars mid boost to control the amps responce just like a tube amp should work.


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Have played a blues deville and a twin rev, they sound great, my hrd sounds pretty similar just not so loud, but has clearly that fender tone.


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The Hotrod doesnt really have (nor does the deville) the classic Fender tone.If you want classic fender , the 59 bassman or any blackface.You say you have played the twin , but have you really sat down with one and a/b one to a HR?The tone difference will become quite evident.Especially in a band situation.I have a blues deluxe and a 59 bassman ri and just sold a super reverb and there is a clear difference in tone.


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Back to the HRD tweaks. C23 and C10 are candidates. C23 is knocking down the bass freqs to help with muddiness. Don't know why they put a .047 for C10. I'd try a .022 or maybe even a .01


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budglo wrote:
The Hotrod doesnt really have (nor does the deville) the classic Fender tone.If you want classic fender , the 59 bassman or any blackface.You say you have played the twin , but have you really sat down with one and a/b one to a HR?The tone difference will become quite evident.Especially in a band situation.I have a blues deluxe and a 59 bassman ri and just sold a super reverb and there is a clear difference in tone.


This is seriously true. If you think the HDR series amps or VM series have the "classic" Fender sound, you never really ever played a or owned a classic Fender amp. Even the Silver Face amps are way more classic than the HRD series. The Tweeds, Blackface, Browns, and early SF amps are sought after. No matter how many mods you make, you'll never make it sound like the older amps. The designs are all wrong from the plastic jacks, pressboard cabinets, cheap components all the way to the speaker. Not one single component is anywhere near classic Fender sound or durability. It's a fact. They are what they are. If you love them, great, if you hate them you more than likely have a good reason.

There's nothing wrong with change, but Fender should call it new and not try to ride on the old glory days because a lot of these new amps can't deliver the goods.

Just my opinion, it's worth what you paid for it.


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I tried a deville and a twin, i don´t own them, to me, they just sounded louder, maybe i don´t have the super guru ears like yours.

Ok, so according to you a Fender Hotrod does NOT have a Fender tone, and the tubes don´t give a Fender tone........So then, I must be crazy and my hearing must be impaired!.........By the way, my amp has a Fender Reissue Gold laber speaker.

If it´s such a piece of crap, I wonder how it´s still being produced continuously after more than 15 years............do u think Fender enjoys the hassle and the bad fame of a bad product? I don´t think so, they have a reputation to keep.

And simply, if my amp has worked flawless during 15 years and everyone raves about it´s sound, i just can´t take your opinion seriously, no matter how big of a gurus u are in Fender amps, with all due respect!


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Vintage Blonde wrote:
Ok so according to you a Fender Hotrod does not have a Fender tone? yeah right!, The tubes don´t give a nice tone?........maybe u should hear mine, want me to send you some recordings?
Whether it has a nice "tone" isnt being disputed.The fact that it doesnt have the "classic Fender " tone is.By classic Fender tone , people are refering to the tweed tone of say a 59 bassman or 57 deluxe or the blackface tone of the twin reverb or super reverb.The fact that it has tubes and the Fender logo are irrelevant.So does my Blues Jr, but it isnt the "Fender "tone.My blues deluxe actually has decent tone.My 59 bassman puts it to shame in the tone department.Much better dynamics,more character and more articulate.The overdriven tones are probably the best that Fender has to offer.


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I wonder if the OP got his answer, or did he get "wet" in the piss off :roll:

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