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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:16 am
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Once again, this post is getting "wet"... The OP asked for info, and it is turning into a rant ...

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johnny stecchino wrote:
Want to really improve your tone? Buy a metronome and learn how keep time (i'm a rhythm player and i am not kidding about this).

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Want to really improve your manners? Stop assuming that your superior knowledge of software somehow translates into a superior knowledge of everything, including the pedigrees of the people you speak with.

I've been playing guitar - classical, acoustic steel-string, and electric - professionally for 43 years, and I have practiced with a metronome for so long that my sense is time is like a razor. Time is ultimately important, but a metronome doesn't improve "tone." Practice certainly does.

As I said before, I think software amps are fine, but they do not replicate the experience of playing a guitar amplifier. I'm repeating this because you seem to have had a difficult time reading it, and were under the impression that I said something to the effect that my "mojo or ability to sound good is in a tube," which is not what I said at all.

If you can successfully argue the other side of that point, then go ahead on. But I'm guessing you can't, since so far the argument has gone like this:

Johnny: "Software amps are awesome! You're dumb if you don't think so LOL!"

SLap" "Uhhhhh..... no. I use them in my work extensively, but there's still no substitute for the feel of a tube amp... it's just fun to play."

Johnny: "Oh, yeah? Well... buy a metronome!"

WTF?

BTW< I'm not really arguing with you, as I don't give a flip either way... I'm not trying to hawk some kind of software and I don't build amps, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I do get weary of on-line forumites misreading what I type. So, I have an urge to correct it.


my, my, aren't we sensitive today... and such venom... ooooo....

never claimed to be superior, if i were, i wouldn't be here blabbering. i'll apologize for my warpped sense of humor.

as for having a rational discussion with you, guess i won't.

as for the metronome remark: i use it everyday to practice my chops. I do a lot of funky 120 bpm sixteenths, follow Nile Rogers style of playing. when you play funk, it isn't the tone of the note that makes the whole piece, it is the timing of the notes (and of course the tone) that makes the whole thing come together. in short, don't get too hung up about the perfect tone, playing and sounding good (and keeping time) will do a lot more for you.

to everyone, i think i got suckered into responding... SORRY!!!!

ciao, baby,
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:13 am
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Im sorry I have played through a few computer rigs and their all pretty much let down by two things, volume and speakers. I dont care how good the studio monitors are, they dont sound like a decent guitar speaker being whipped to within an inch of its life. Volume and air pressure acting on the strings and your ear is also a large part of my playing enjoyment. I love to feel some sound pressure on my eardrums. Studio monitors/ pc speakers just dont react the same way. So much of how I play is directly affected by what I hear that I need volume sometimes. It took me 3 cd's to finaly get the hang of studio work, that what I was hearing through monitors sounded great in the mix and junk from the amps. I recorded my first cd (lp then) with the guitar going to two amps. One in a booth setup for the mix and mic'ed. The other was in a booth with me and set up for my preference. Even then we mixed some of the amp set for me into the guitar tracks, just to get the playing the amp effect. A notion that is largely forgotten these days.

Talking of guitarists archaic notions heres one for ya. I'm off to buy a 68 plexi tomorrow.

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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:29 am
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Isn't this all pretty subjective and a matter of personal taste? Why is anyone a fool because they prefer tube amps over laptops/laptops over tube amps? Get a grip, people.


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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:05 pm
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been called a fool for going solid state! guess everyone's a fool, so i think i'm in good company. nah, don't get emotional over nonsense like that, it's not worth arguing about.

but back to the technology, it is true that the ss amps of the 80's and some of the 90's were "sterile" in the sense that when they distorted, the sound was aweful. also, the equalization was off. in short, the designs didn't work because i suspect, the amps were designed by engineers who did not design guitar amps. guitar amp design, like anything, is a bit of an acquired art. this lesson was re-learned several times, even by Fender. the "design rules" are pretty well known now, so anyone with an interest in building a guitar amp can do it well provided they acquire this knowledge - it's definitely out there.

the trend to software signal processing is due to cost, versatility, and capability (over an analog design be it tube or transistor or op amp). in a previous thread i described the effects of quantization and how they impact dynamic range, and the effects of the data rate. given most human hearing can't go beyond 20KHz, and most DSPs work at 1GHz, that is a hell of a lot of processing between sample outputs at 96KHz. the technology certainly has the capability. the issue is the quality of the signal processing algorithms and that's where the rub is. some do it very well, others, not so well. the thing about software is that it is not limited by technology, it can continue to get better, and better, and better. as the designers learn, they'll keep refining those algorithms - that's just the way it goes in software.

as for personal choice, whatever makes you feel good is what you'll buy. my choice was based on what made me feel good and where i wanted to go. i choose the cyber twin SE because i got everything i wanted, and i keep getting more out of it.

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:29 am
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oh man, i gotta say, i am also an engineer (manufacturing, not electrical), and even i don't want to associate moosic, rawk, and geetars with big words like "algorithm" :lol: .


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Does this mean roadies could be out of a job?

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Laptops are not hardened enough to survive too long on the road.
Mine got lightly dropped less than an inch to a table and that was the end of it.
HD packed it in, easy repair but took a long time to get replaced and reloaded.

When that kind of issue is resolved in standard laptops things will be better.
Military hardened laptops are not cheap, and solid state netbooks don't have enough resources (yet).

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looks like they got jobs replacing laptops!

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:42 pm
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One good thing for your laptop related guitar experience is this

http://www.tbstrobetuner.com/

Gotta say lads I bought it and love it. Super accurate to 1/10th of a cent and far cheaper than strobosoft.

Anyhow time to go polish my valves and hoover the speaker cones. :wink:

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I guess you can now download an iphone app. that can tune your guitar.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:42 am
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Yeah the strobosoft for iphone/ipod touch. Given the poor reliability of the iphone I'd be cautious. I did consider it for my touch but need a special adapter for it which is another tenner.

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I know what you mean on that tuning thing. It is impossible to get one string tuned bang on to the tuner. I struggle to the cent, let alone 1/10th. Hey though, its super accurate and costs $8. I paid £6. I struggle to buy one set of strings for that price.

I stopped making the compensated nuts i used to make primarily because of that tuner. I measured the things and set them to a strobostomp tuner. checked em later on the TB tuner and they weren't accurate enough for me to want to sell em.

Still their really good for setting intonation with, far more accurate results than using a regular needle or digital tuner.

BTW I see that with digital pic's too. I always thought it was me. On CD's their mixed with a steep mid cut. Vinyl was always mixed with a hump in the mids. I suppose to compensate and give a fuller sound on old players.

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I like the idea of being able to play through a computer but can you get the same kind of overall response and controlled feedback as you can through a cranked amp? If so, how?


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