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Yeah, this is a Forum!! A meeting place for discussion of matters of public interest, and a means to freely express our opinions and feelings on a number of related subjects. I congratulate Fender.com for their generous effort to provide this "Public Square" for us to gather. It's the love of music that binds us together. It's folk's ability to be magnanimous that keeps us together. Peace! ART

















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aclempoppi wrote:
Yeah, this is a Forum!! A meeting place for discussion of matters of public interest, and a means to freely express our opinions and feelings on a number of related subjects. I congratulate Fender.com for their generous effort to provide this "Public Square" for us to gather. It's the love of music that binds us together. It's folk's ability to be magnanimous that keeps us together. Peace! ART

Well said Art.
No, I am not affiliated with Egnater except being a now new loyal consumer of their products. My relationship with Nate is that he answered my emails whenever I had a question because I haven't bought a new amp in a long time and didn't want to make another HRDlx mistake. He was very helpful. Mike Molenda of Guitar Player Magazine gave the Egnater Rebel 20 an "Editors Pick Award". So I guess I work for guitar Player Magazine too. I thought Nate might be able to help boles. I trashed the HRDdlx long before I ever mentioned or considered Egnater.

And boles, I never keep quiet as many on this forum will attest.
I do sleep and work from time to time and watch the World Series. GO PHILS!!!!!

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I can attest to Supros unquietness :D .Dont always agree with you supro, but I have learned alot from you and you are spot on about the egnater.To be honest I never would have questioned the reliability of the HR line if I hadnt read your posts.I probably would have based everything on my own experiences.I know guys like you who gig alot have road tested far longer than us weekend warriors.You give solid advice and really thought provoking stuff.I hope the Phils win it.Both Cliff Lee and Charlie Manuel are ex-tribesmen.I hope you guys resign him in the off season.Would be a great fit.A really great guy and awesome pitcher.


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I can attest to Supros unquietness :D .Dont always agree with you supro, but I have learned alot from you and you are spot on about the egnater.To be honest I never would have questioned the reliability of the HR line if I hadnt read your posts.I probably would have based everything on my own experiences.I know guys like you who gig alot have road tested far longer than us weekend warriors.You give solid advice and really thought provoking stuff.I hope the Phils win it.Both Cliff Lee and Charlie Manuel are ex-tribesmen.I hope you guys resign him in the off season.Would be a great fit.A really great guy and awesome pitcher.


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Thanks again for the kind words. I don't want people to always agree with me. That's what makes all the discussion's so interesting.

I'm not a big sports guy, but I always liked baseball. The game last night amazed me. Cliff Lee was fantastic as were the rest of the Phillies. I hope they can keep it up. I was born and raised in Philadelphia and it's kind of cool to see something going well for a city that's in such a financial mess.

I've always enjoyed conversing with you, even when you disagree you still keep an open mind and are a true gentleman about anything we discuss.
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The feeling is mutual my friend.Go Phils! :!:


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That's funny...I always thought he worked for Supro...


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I have a tweed blues jr and love it. I seen the reviews of the princeton but wouldnt trade it for the bj. also i like the 12"' speaker as the princeton has a 10"


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IMO there is no comparison between a Blues Jr. and a Princeton. The BJ sounds really boxy to me, the Princeton drips incredible tone and has great reverb. You get what you pay for.


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Some people have suggested that one of the BJ's advantages over the Princeton is that it has a 12" speaker... as if bigger necessarily means better.

The Princeton has a bigger cab and smaller speaker than the BJ... so:

– does the Princeton have a 'better' speaker-size-to-cab-size ratio?
– does it mean the Princeton is not boxy?
– does it provide any fuller sound, in spite of the smaller speaker?
– does it render the 'need' for a bigger speaker irrelevant?

I'm guessing at the answers within all these questions... obviously I don't know much about speaker/cab dynamics.

I'd like a low wattage and simple amp (with knobs on the front, where I can see them!) and it's either a Princeton or DRRi.


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This has been a very interesting thread (other than the brief detour...). I was in the process of upgrading my Tweed Blues Junior to a Princeton Reverb when I stumbled on this discussion. Other than seeing some Egnater amps in the local GC lately I had never heard of them. Since I've got the clean tone covered with the Princeton I am very interested in the variation that has been described with the Rebel 20. My local GC only had the Rebel 30 combo when I first checked but they just received a Rebel 20. So, I spent some time checking it out this weekend. I wish I had read the on line manual before I went to try it because, honestly, I was pretty lost in trying to get from clean to gritty sounds. There's a lot of choices on that amp. I also don't really have a clue what the Bright and Tight switches do.

Wouldn't you know it, the shop sold the Rebel 30 so I couldn't compare. Can you guys fill me in on the differences? Looking around on the web it seems that the Rebel 30 has dedicated clean and gain channels. I have heard that Egnater voiced the gain channel even grittier than on the Rebel 20 since the 30 also has a clean channel. I don't play metal so I don't need to get the ultimate distortion; I also play only at home so I don't need 30 Watts. However, the sales guys at GC seem to like the 30 combo approach instead of the head/cab in the 20.

Any thoughts?

By the way, I love my Princeton Reverb!

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ckfoley wrote:
This has been a very interesting thread (other than the brief detour...). I was in the process of upgrading my Tweed Blues Junior to a Princeton Reverb when I stumbled on this discussion. Other than seeing some Egnater amps in the local GC lately I had never heard of them. Since I've got the clean tone covered with the Princeton I am very interested in the variation that has been described with the Rebel 20. My local GC only had the Rebel 30 combo when I first checked but they just received a Rebel 20. So, I spent some time checking it out this weekend. I wish I had read the on line manual before I went to try it because, honestly, I was pretty lost in trying to get from clean to gritty sounds. There's a lot of choices on that amp. I also don't really have a clue what the Bright and Tight switches do.

Wouldn't you know it, the shop sold the Rebel 30 so I couldn't compare. Can you guys fill me in on the differences? Looking around on the web it seems that the Rebel 30 has dedicated clean and gain channels. I have heard that Egnater voiced the gain channel even grittier than on the Rebel 20 since the 30 also has a clean channel. I don't play metal so I don't need to get the ultimate distortion; I also play only at home so I don't need 30 Watts. However, the sales guys at GC seem to like the 30 combo approach instead of the head/cab in the 20.

Any thoughts?

By the way, I love my Princeton Reverb!


ckfoley,

I have a Rebel 20 and have played the 30. I play mostly Blues and love the 20. The 30 has 2 channels one clean one gain. I tamed the gain a little using a JAN Phillips 5751 preamp tube in V1. You can also tame it further if you like. The 30 has a watt, tube blend and reverb and independent eq for each channel. The 30 is also coming out as a head too. The 30 was a little too much amp for my needs. I went back to head and cabinet amps because I am tire of developing tube rattle in combo amps. A lot of it is because they don't build tubes like used to.

I too don't need that much gain. So far the 20 has been rock solid. Bruce Egnater has been around as a custom amp builder for over 30 years. He is legendary in custom amplification circles for his unique designs. I couldn't afford his amps as a kid.

The Rebel 20 has tons to offer and I can't get a bad tone out of it. I have the 1x12 Egnater cab and I'm picking up another one as soon as I can get some free time. It can mimic a lot of amps and can do a Tweed Princeton pretty well. The Bright and Tight switches are pretty cool. The bright adds treble and the tight cuts the bass response. One thing, when you turn the tube blend knob, you'll hear static. It's normal and is addressed in the manual. It's just voltage going through the pot.

EL84 and 6V6 tubes in one amp that are blend-able offer a ton of tonal possibilities. It's just a great amp.

Glad you like the Princeton. I love them, they're just not a great gigging amp. Running it through the PA is okay, but for me it just never had enough stage volume and gets lost. It is an incredible recording and practice amp though.


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63supro - Thanks for the thoughts. I'm thinking I don't need 30 watts and the Rebel-30 head is quite a bit more expensive than the 20. I think I'll look for the best deal on a Rebel-20 and be happy.

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No problem. The Rebel 20 is all I really need. I may possibly sell my Twin and move on. The Rebel is just that good to my ears. I've had it for three months or so and I play it every day, gig with it and rehearse with it. It's been totally reliable and I'm still finding tones I hear in my head. I never got that with the HRDlx.


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"......The Princeton is light years ahead of the Blues Jr in tone and construction. I'm not too sure about the tubes being mounted to the chassis though. They might be on their own board separate from the main board but I'm not sure. I hope someone who owns one can clarify this. "

The 65 Princeton Reverb Reissue has all the tubes chassis mounted.

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