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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:50 am
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I'm with you Maruuk.
Fender is a quality leader.
I am willing to pay alittle extra for the assurence that when i crank it up..
its there in all its Fender glory...

you can cheep out... but it's proven ovcer and over again
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:45 am
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It's hard for a kid making $400 a week to concern themselves with resale value, but that's one of the strengths of the Fender marque. I mean, just check out what a used DRRI is going for on eBay. New: $799 (old price). Used after 3 years: $675! It's the Camry of combos.

Also, Fender has had the benefit of 60 years of trial and error. The tweed Bassman and Deluxe were simply no big deal in 1963. They were pricey and had Ampeg Geminis and all kinds of Silvertone/Valco/Danelectro tube amps in lower cost competition. But over the many years, Fender has had a gazillion players vote with their wallets as to what sounded good, and Fender has refined the best of the best sound-wise--a process that no more recent startup can possibly do.

And dare I say again, they are an AMERICAN company making and supporting the AMERICAN music scene for all 60 years.

That said, we've seen serious QC issues with the G-DEC 30, the Supersonic, various other amps as Fender tries to evolve into the offshore manufacturing quagmire on the dirt cheap. It ain't easy. Even product-wise, we've seen the early demise of the Cyber Champ, the Cyber Deluxe, the CT is just barely hanging on. The SuperSonic has had its many detractors, the Princeton Recording was very controversial for its price point and its well earned moniker "scarface". And its online support of the G-DEC series has been almost non-existent when you compare it to something like the Line 6 Guitarport system.

So we're seeing Fender, a great American icon, like Ford and Chrysler and GM, going through its own NAFTA pains--the market is more international than ever and they have to fight off products from companies like Behringer/Bugera who make stuff for peanuts in China. The margins and competition are brutal.

So I take to heart what Shane was implying in these pages: like Harley-Davidson, Fender is not going to cave to the bottom feeders and start mass-producing their own cheap version of "rice-burners". After their AMC debacle (the parallel to Fender's CBS debacle) Harley reorganized around maintaining their premiere marque and lifestyle image, while gradually incorporating new-tech and evolving their design and product organically, always with an eye to "what would Willie G. do?"

So today Fender has a very simple mantra to adhere to: "What would Leo do?"


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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:41 pm
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I like the idea of an affordable tube amp, especially a head version but I already have all the amps in need...in my Cyber-Twin SE!!!
While it's not inexpensive, it has all the features, tones & effects you need!!! Besides, how much crap can you haul to a gig? I often have limited space to set up at the gigs I play & a 2 amp set-up is not effective for me, thats why I'm digging my SE combo: portable, loud & sounds great!!!

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:06 am
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So many players are happy with their CTSEs that I'm amazed Fender dropped the rest of the Cyber series. I mean, the Champ was doomed simply because Fender didn't include the 4-button footswitch which mandated a fancier pedal which almost equaled the cost of the Champ itself! Ridiculous.

Which is a shame because the Champ covers a lot of what the CT can do at a fraction of the price and weight. If Fender only including the 4-button or gave users a path to attach a cheap midi footswitch, you'd have a great, cheap product. The 65-watt SS amp and 12" speaker sealed the deal: this was potentially a killer, inexpensive giggable amp!

Fender ought to revisit this issue and bring a footswitched Cyber Champ-like product to market at a rock-bottom price. I mean, they've already amortized the R&D of the cyber engine out across not just the original Cyber series, but the whole G-DEC series as well. So the technology is free, why not give the workingman a taste of CT glory without the weight and expense??? Stick a 12AX7 in the preamp for good measure just to really complete the CT vibe. That'll cost you an extra $1.17. Trust me, we're good for it.


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:17 am
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not a modeling amp fan at all the cyber twin so not for me but do enjoy the idea of in expensive tube amps

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The Cyber-Twin IS NOT a modeling amp!!!

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:46 am
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hehehe Yeah, Fender marketing spin says it's not a modeling amp because it actually BECOMES the amp it's emulating as the entire signal path is modified each time to mirror the original amp it's...MODELING. It all depends on what the definition of "IS" is!

At any rate, the CTSE is one heckuva power tool and graces many a stage across the world. Especially behind acts which need to cover a lot of styles from tune to tune. I think that's why you don't see them much behind well-defined star performers who have one sound down. There you want that one amp that does that thing.

But most clubs hire cover bands, and the CTSE is hard to beat when you have to jump from "Day Tripper" to "Don't You Wish Your Boyfriend Was a Freak Like Me" to "Take Me Out" to "Tears in Heaven". Whew. Stomp them presets, baby!


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:08 am
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yea that amp is so deffiantly a modeling amp idc how good it is ill just make my own tone not steal someone eles thanks lol

iam all about the straight tube amp ness of a real bassman or deluxe or tremolux but not all in one id rather have alll 3 and look kooler

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:14 am
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That's what the richie rich stars do--line up 3 or more amps behind you and just switch from one to the other or all together off a footswitch system. If you can afford it (and have the roadies to haul em), why not?

Me, I like light, small and one killer tube tone. But I'm a blues guy, I don't have to take requests from the crowd!


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haha iam a blueser too nice to see to diffent sides of the game but i dk i guess ur right and so am i
iam 16 and haveing 12 amps lined up is still cool i havnt developed back problems yet hahaha

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:53 am
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When I was 16 I used to carry my 65 Twin up 4 flights of stairs. I can still do it, but I'm a lot smarter now. And my back doesn't kill me any more.

Gimme a guitar that weighs less than 5 pounds and an amp less than 35 and I'm happy. No roadies to bail out at 4am.


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:29 pm
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matt101590 wrote:
yea that amp is so deffiantly a modeling amp idc how good it is ill just make my own tone not steal someone eles thanks lol

iam all about the straight tube amp ness of a real bassman or deluxe or tremolux but not all in one id rather have alll 3 and look kooler


Well Matt, I've been making MY OWN TONES for over 20 years & have used many all-tube amps ranging from Fender, Carvin & Dean Markley to Marshall but after using an original 1988 ADA MP-1 MIDI tube pre-amp, Peavey Classic 50/50 stereo tube power amp, Digitech DSP 128 multi-effects unit for almost 14 years (& a Marshall 1960A stereo 4-12" cab the last 5 years off that span) I traded my them in 2002 towards a Fender Cyber-Twin head ver 1.3 to use with the Marshall cab.
I saw a demo by a Fender rep of the original 2-12" combo model in late 2001 & was really impressed. I relocated to Nashville in 2002 & decided to upgrade my amp in the process. Plus the 5 year unlimited warranty was very re-assuring in case something did happen to the amp I knew I wouldn't have to shell out any cash for repairs, great for a struggling musician who just moved 900 miles, LOL!!!
I also purchased the Fender Cyber-Controller pedal for the head which has 2 control pedals, 1 for master volume & the other is multi-parameter assignable which is awesome, plus with the wah-wah pedal effect included in the Cyber-Twin head (choice of the Vox OR Cry Baby models!) it means less pedals on the floor & more room for me. Oh & the KNOBS TURN!!! "It's magic" is what I tell all the girls who ask, LOL!!!
This year I went ahead & bought the new Cyber-Twin SE 2-12" combo (they don't make a head version) which is the improved model with added effects combinations & tonestack choices, including an acoustic guitar simulator!!! Plus the new effects additions like an Ibanez Tube-Screamer pedal, mid-boost effect, Digitech Whammy pedal & wah-wah & delay combo have helped my sound tremendously!!!
The day I bought the SE I had a gig that night & just went home, dumped all MY written programs from the old Cyber-Twin head into the SE in less than 5 minutes & went off to the show. The soundman said he had more control in the mix that night & that the amp seemed to have more presence and the effects stood out better. Even some fans who aren't musicians asked me why the band sounded better that night, specifically my guitar!!! That's when I knew I was gettin' my $1300 worth!!!
So I am pretty pleased, I LOVE my Marshall Cabinet, and I can still use it with the SE, but the 2-12" in stereo on an amp stand just kicks $@! & is also a helluva lot easier to haul around than the 4-12" cab!!! I just throw it in the backseat of my car along with my axes & off I go!!! Which is so much more convenient, I can now more easily take it home from rehersal to work on MY programs & add new ones for new songs & also have it available for any pick-up gigs or jams that come up, saving me the hassle and/or a trip back to the rehersal room to get all my gear.
The Cyber-Twin amps have so many amplifier & effects choices & parameters (most effects have all the same settings PLUS more than the original effects!) you can easily get lost!!! Which is a complaint about this amp occasionally, but I feel if you take the time to learn to work it "correctly", most guitarists AND tube amp enthusiasts would really dig and have a blast gigging out with this amp!!!
Plus not many WORKING musicians I know of can afford OR have the room in the clubs to set up a multiple amp system onstage, hell I'd be stuck in a back room, corner or completely off the stage at some of the places I've played with a set up like that, LOL!!! And I get PLENTY of compliments about my sound from other musicians. I get MY OWN tones AND the ones that are appropriate or EXACTLY like some of the cover songs we play. How many times have you seen a guitarist in a band with a great TONE but after 1 or 2 sets you're already bored because it's "one tone fits all"? THAT to me is un-original & quite boring most of the time...
So unless your'e a metal head Matt, you'll grow to realize that availablity to many TONES is the way to go & this amp gets me there, no prob!!!
Sorry to get off topic but I had to speak my peace...

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One of many impassioned testimonials to the awesome CTSE! Here's hopin Fender brings a new 1-12 combo like a Cyber-Champ SE but with a pedal switch.

Long live the Cyber engine! Keep the dream alive, Fender.


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Maruuk wrote:
One of many impassioned testimonials to the awesome CTSE! Here's hopin Fender brings a new 1-12 combo like a Cyber-Champ SE but with a pedal switch.

Long live the Cyber engine! Keep the dream alive, Fender.


You know, your'e alright Maruuk!!!

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Tone King wrote:
I'm with you Maruuk.
Fender is a quality leader.
I am willing to pay alittle extra for the assurence that when i crank it up..
its there in all its Fender glory...

you can cheep out... but it's proven ovcer and over again
You Get What you Pay for.


Like many of us here, I've bought and sold a lot of different amps over the years in the search for great, reliable and consistent tone. I use a 65 Twin RI for electric and an Acoustasonic Pro for acoustic. Yeah, they were expensive, but I haven't found anything better.

I played several C@rvin tube amps at one of their factory stores. I thought, 'hey, I could sell the Twin, buy one of these, and have $400 left over.' I really wanted to like them, but they sounded thin and boxy, with a harsh and unpleasant tone (to me) -- even big 2-12 combos. The same guitar through my Twin sounds like a million bucks.

I'd rather sound good...

-Rob


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