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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:33 pm
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Hi guys,

I recently bought a new Super Champ XD, and while I like the amp, it's very apparent that the speaker is holding it back. I find it to be lacking in lower end.

I want to have a speaker with a nice clarity to it, but just with a firmer, fuller low end in order to help make up for the size.

What have you all tried and recommend?


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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:23 pm
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I have heard that it is possible to squeeze a 12" speaker into that cabinet. If so, I would suggest a 12" speaker for more low end instead of a 10" being that it is an open back combo amp. I would also recommend maybe getting a closed back extension cabinet in lieue of replacing the speaker. You just might like what you hear.
As far as what type/brand of speaker. The selection is endless, if you go to the eminence web site they provide sound samples of all the different types of speakers they carry as well as specifications, types of music, etc, each speaker might be used for. Thats just one brand, i'm sure you can get similiar insight into most brands of speakers, celestion, weber, jbl, etc.


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I have extension cabinets...that's not really the issue. The amp sounds much better for sure with a 2 x 12 cab, but the idea of a small easily portable combo amp is lost.

It was also my understanding that a 12" won't fit in that cabinet. Anybody else know for sure?

I'm not really wanting to re-invent the wheel, but I would like to upgrade my rims. :wink:


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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:30 pm
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Sven wrote:
I have extension cabinets...that's not really the issue. The amp sounds much better for sure with a 2 x 12 cab, but the idea of a small easily portable combo amp is lost.

It was also my understanding that a 12" won't fit in that cabinet. Anybody else know for sure?

I'm not really wanting to re-invent the wheel, but I would like to upgrade my rims. :wink:


I installed a ragin cajun 10" speaker into one of my small combo amps and it made a huge difference. It really brought out the bottom end. As a matter of fact it revealed some minor issues that I would not have been made aware of had I not installed this speaker.


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What kind of issues are you talking about?


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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:33 pm
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Not any speaker related issues, more like amp related issues. There was a loud overwhelming hum the minute I installed the speaker. Turns out I had a transformer issue. Due to the fact the stock speaker lacked bottom end, I was never made aware of it till I put the new speaker in. I took the amp in for repair and problem solved. Not sure what was wrong but the tech told me the output transformer was wired incorrectly, or something along those lines. Had I not installed this speaker, I would never have know.,,,,, actually not true. I did hear the same hum when I plugged in an extension cabinet. But now, all is good.
Hope this helps.


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I went with a the Greenback G10 Celestion and have had great results. It added a little more fullness and bottom end. Very warm on the clean Blackface channel 1. Also, it has made the Acoustasonic (6 o'clock) setting one of my favorites. Very chimey and warm. Middle selection on Reverb, 6 on FX level, 4 on gain, 6.5 on bass and 7 on treble.


I have heard good reports on the Ragin Cajun as well.


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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:11 pm
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I went with a the Greenback G10 Celestion and have had great results. It added a little more fullness and bottom end. Very warm on the clean Blackface channel 1. Also, it has made the Acoustasonic (6 o'clock) setting one of my favorites. Very chimey and warm. Middle selection on Reverb, 6 on FX level, 4 on gain, 6.5 on bass and 7 on treble.


I have heard good reports on the Ragin Cajun as well.


Isn't the G10 a 60 watt speaker? I was under the impression that it's not a good idea to use a speker with a higher wattage rating than your amp.


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Isn't the G10 a 60 watt speaker? I was under the impression that it's not a good idea to use a speker with a higher wattage rating than your amp.

It doesn't hurt anything at all. It's just not pushing the speaker as hard as it's capable of.


I actually prefer a bit of a safety margin, so that cranking the amp up doesn't hurt the speaker.

Also, more powerful speakers generally have larger magnets and voice coils, which I personally like, but they also tend towards a better efficiency...so that you end up with more volume and frequency responses.


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Sven wrote:
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Isn't the G10 a 60 watt speaker? I was under the impression that it's not a good idea to use a speker with a higher wattage rating than your amp.

It doesn't hurt anything at all. It's just not pushing the speaker as hard as it's capable of.


I actually prefer a bit of a safety margin, so that cranking the amp up doesn't hurt the speaker.

Also, more powerful speakers generally have larger magnets and voice coils, which I personally like, but they also tend towards a better efficiency...so that you end up with more volume and frequency responses.


Are you ABSOLUTELY sure? I've heard from a number of different sources over the years that it's not OK. I don't really remember why, something about forcing the amp to work harder than is safe, and that it could damage the amp.


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I'm sure.

Think of it like jogging slower than your maximum speed.


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Think of it like jogging slower than your maximum speed.

I sure hope so because I've got my scxd running through a 1x12 cab loaded with an Eminence Texas Heat. I don't play it very loud, but I might in the future. That speaker is rated at 8ohms and 150 watts.

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I bought a used SCXD that came with a Ragin Cajun (not installed). I played through the stock speaker for a night, then installed the RC. Like all of the reviews say, the RC adds A LOT of volume and a tighter bottom end. The stock speaker had more of that "chimey" fender tone, but the bass was flubby. For me the fullness and volume of the RC was a better choice than the chimey, yet flubby stock speaker.

Albeit, this is at louder volumes. For low to moderate volumes, the stock speaker might be better than the RC. But I prefer to crank this amp on channel 1, and who doesn't love a tight bottom end?

The RC is a popular upgrade for this amp, but the speaker options are endless.


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Post subject: Re: Super champ speaker upgrade?
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:17 pm
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Sven wrote:
Hi guys,

I recently bought a new Super Champ XD, and while I like the amp, it's very apparent that the speaker is holding it back. I find it to be lacking in lower end.

I want to have a speaker with a nice clarity to it, but just with a firmer, fuller low end in order to help make up for the size.

What have you all tried and recommend?


Use a different speaker such as a theEminence Patriot or Ragin Cajun... Huge tonal difference... Not too much coin. Don't buy a 12" speaker to force it in and spend more money on it... Eminence will do the trick...


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Well, I was able to score a new Celestion G10 Vintage yesterday at the Arlington guitar show for even less money than a Ragin Cajun, and I couldn't be happier with it!

I had dismissed getting one because they are so expensive, so I was surprised to find one at the show...much less at a smokin' price. :D

It sounds great, and has a much clearer bottom end. This is going to turn out to be a really fun amp.


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