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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:24 pm
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its funny, because im with supro and slapchop in this war but i own one and use it everyday and love it.

face it, it is cheap (For valve) and fragile and probably not built together and at the first chance possible, id swap it for a mesa but, im gonna use my deville till it bleeds since it sounds pretty good.

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Nothing wrong with it if it's working for you. The thing is I would have been happy with a little less wattage or just one good drive channel if it had even a nice board and properly mounted tube sockets to improve reliability. My Egnater at 20 watts and one 1x12 cabinet cuts the mix better than my HRDlx ever did with HRDlx the volume set at six. An amp shouldn't be fragile. My 64 Champ has been through the mill and even knocked off chairs a couple of times and still no problems.

The thing is, I didn't WANT to get rid of my HRDlx, I HAD to. I couldn't rely on it.


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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:20 pm
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I thought this was the "any good things to say about the hot rod deluxe series amps?" post. Not the "come and slam the hot rod deluxe series amps" post. Must have made a wrong turn...... :?


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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:13 pm
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I love the two I have. One for five years.been goog for me. Don't let anyone talk you out of you tone . Use what you like. I'm a guy who would drop fender amps in a flash if something that met my needs better came along . And I own many other brands but for my money , the deluxe suits me fine.


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10-4 for Vulkans post!!!
I too commented earlier, I am in the "I like it" club.
Good Luck to all, and enjoy the gear you have, I certainly do 8)

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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:25 pm
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Thanks, everyone, for the kind comments inre: my previous post. I tried to make it as unbiased as possible, and I remain fully aware that what I had to say will not convince some people. I didn't expect that it would. Nevertheless, I appreciate the feedback.

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Hi Vulkan, well said. On the other hand, the HRDlx is going for $700 at Musicians Friend which really isn't cheap. I paid $800 for my Egnater Rebel 20 with a coupon. Even without a coupon it goes for $849 or less. It's plenty loud enough for most any application and it's quality is outstanding. Thick double sided boards, plated eyelets for component mounting, heat sinks where necessary, no ribbon connectors but hand soldered heavy gauge wires all tied and routed properly, tubes sockets solidly mounted and supported, and the list goes on and on.

It's features such as the tube mix with 6V6 and EL84 power tubes and the ability to dial it down to 1 watt and a tone stack that actually does something as well as covering any musical style from Blues to Metal is amazing and it does it all well.

The HRDlx has had a sour reliability reputation long before I was aware of it. I wish I had done my research.

It used to be Fender amps were ALL exceptional well built amps. I have a 76 Twin that never failed in over 30 years of service and hard knocks. I only had it recapped a few years ago just as a precaution. I also have a 74 Champ that has never been serviced and I used that amp every week to practice or record with.

Things get good and bad reputations for reasons. My HRDlx fell victim to the same problems as many others. My amp tech knew exactly what was wrong with it because he has serviced so many of them.


Supro,

You've been very outspoken regarding your dislike of, and misfortune with, the HRDx. I understand that. Moreover, I understand that the HRDx is not built to the same level as many other comparable tube amps. One thing I neglected to mention in my post was that the Hot Rods are going for $700 on MF. This, to me, is outrageous. I payed $500 for mine, and it was brand new. Consequently, I feel it's incumbent on me to "+1" your comments regarding certain features the HRDx lacks.

I realize that for $700, a really top-notch amp should be available. Part of the problem in dealing with large, established and well-regarded manufacturer is that you, regardless of what others might say, pay for the name. Essentially it's the same as buying a pair of Nike sneakers as opposed to a no-name brand -- and please don't take that as a slight against the Egnater. I just feel that it is worth pointing out that Fender charges for their name.

I do think, however, that given even a couple of features you mentioned, the HRDx could become a great amp. I wouldn't have any objection to making it a single-channel unit, and extra reinforcement of the PCBs and tube sockets couldn't hurt. On the other hand, I do believe that the HRDx is essentially a good amp, provided one understands who it's for: people like me who want a good sounding amp they can gig with; people who play for fun and gig occasionally; or people who want to annoy their neighbours.

And to get this on record, I completely sympathize with your dislike -- and right to openly dislike -- any piece of gear. I personally hate Dunlop Wahs. I've had nothing but bad experiences. Lots of people use them fine, with no problems, but I've had a terrible record, and I'll never buy one again. It happens, but I still value your opinion and insight; you're a much more experienced player than I am, and your comments are valuable.

Cheers.


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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:32 am
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Vulkan,

Thanks for the kind words and understanding. With all my Fender gear I never thought I was paying for just the name. I was paying for a quality, professionally built piece of gear regardless of its price point. My 74 Champ is a shining example of that. The HRDlx has so much potential to be an incredibly great amp. With just a few changes it could be bumped up to professional gear status. $700 seems to be the new lower price at Sam Ash, MF and our local Georges Music.

It's not my mission to slam Fender. They make lots of wonderful amps and I have owned many throughout the 40 years I've been a musician. I sold them not because there was anything wrong with them, it was just that my needs changed and I don't like having gear for the sake of having it. If I have no use for it, it's gone. My Twin may be next. It's a shame to keep it stored. I no longer want to play large venues so I really don't need it. The Egnater fills everything I need at this point.
Oh, on a side note, Bruce Egnater is a well respected and well known amp designer and builder since the 1970's. Gear heads love him but his design's were priced too out of reach for guys like me back then. He's a pioneer of custom amplification and used swappable tube modules to get tones to suit a wide variety of music. If you email Egnater Amps with a question, Bruce will many times answer you personally. Their customer service is considered by many to be one of the best in the industry.


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Nothing more frustrating than something you cant rely on.I have had frustrations with the touchy volume pot too.Especially in smaller venues.I have been one of the lucky ones .Had several amps from the hr series with little trouble.My go to amp now is my 59 bassman ri.It smokes my blues deluxe.More character and dynamics in tone and It is built like a tank.After Fender raised the prices , i decided to take Supros advice and buy used .I am glad i did, its amazing the good deals you can get if you look around.My next addition is gonna be a tweed deluxe kit.Found one for under 600 dollars.


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Supro:

Like I said, I sympathize completely with your frustration. I don't have a similar problem -- my HRDx seems to be a good one -- but I imagine how frustrating an amp failure, onstage no less, would be.

And now you've piqued my curiosity inre: Egnaters. I have never seen one in Saskatoon, but I'll keep my eyes open. Incidentally, have you had a chance to try out the new Ampeg Jet-20? Getting one of those suckers is my current obsession now that a VT-22 is out of range...


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Vulkan wrote:
Supro:

Like I said, I sympathize completely with your frustration. I don't have a similar problem -- my HRDx seems to be a good one -- but I imagine how frustrating an amp failure, onstage no less, would be.

And now you've piqued my curiosity inre: Egnaters. I have never seen one in Saskatoon, but I'll keep my eyes open. Incidentally, have you had a chance to try out the new Ampeg Jet-20? Getting one of those suckers is my current obsession now that a VT-22 is out of range...


I tried the Ampeg J 20 last time I was in NY. It was a great amp. Very simple and hand wired to boot. I was going to buy one but I can't find one locally. Then I tried the Egnater. The Egnater Rebel 20 has been amazing. One of the best amps I've ever owned. They only seem to be selling them at Guitar Center and MF.
Amazingly well built and the ability to blend 6V6 and EL84 power tubes as well as dial it anywhere from 1 to 20 watts makes for limitless tonal possibilities. The cabinets are even made of Birch and not pressboard.


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Yeah, I really liked my Hot Rod Deville 212, for the money ($640) it was a good amp, after putting JJs in it it sounded pretty darn good IMO. I have nothing bad to say about it, it served its purpose rather well. Only reason I sold mine was due to the fact that the Ampeg I have now is better.

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