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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:56 am
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ah so it depends on whether they solder it properly, seems a bit silly but i recon that perhaps your right. Fender didnt mean for it be heavily giged as it was a entry level valve amp to people who never had them before so it wasnt made to be abused. But thats probably the reason its a best seller, it is good value for a valve amp!

and yeah i'll get some earplugs....

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There are way better values for the same money or just a little bit more outside of the Fender camp. The Hot Rods aren't the "Classic" Fender sound anyway. I've owned real classic Fender amps most of my life and the HRD's ain't it. They sound decent but that's all.


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I'ts a good value and some of us can get more than decent sounds out of it.


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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:36 pm
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It's only a good value if you get a good one. :roll:
It's poorly designed and that's it's major flaw.


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I agree, I just don't feel comfortable selling it directly to some unsuspecting person.
Even though it has been working fine for months now, it has also not moved out of my living room since the last cracked solder repair
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I felt the same way. That's why it was sentenced to the closet. I transferred 6 months of the warranty to satisfy the Karma thing.

Also, if anyone thinks it's a good value, try trading one in or even selling it privately. Then you'll see what kind of value it is. I got more for some old pedals than I got for that HRD amp.


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63supro wrote:
I felt the same way. That's why it was sentenced to the closet. I transferred 6 months of the warranty to satisfy the Karma thing.

Also, if anyone thinks it's a good value, try trading one in or even selling it privately. Then you'll see what kind of value it is. I got more for some old pedals than I got for that HRD amp.


wow that's awesome. Which pedals? I apologize for thinking the HRD can be a good value with decent tone, I must be wrong, I don't have as many posts as you do.
Time to actually go play now.


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63supro wrote:
I felt the same way. That's why it was sentenced to the closet. I transferred 6 months of the warranty to satisfy the Karma thing.

Also, if anyone thinks it's a good value, try trading one in or even selling it privately. Then you'll see what kind of value it is. I got more for some old pedals than I got for that HRD amp.


wow that's awesome. Which pedals? I apologize for thinking the HRD can be a good value with decent tone, I must be wrong, I don't have as many posts as you do.
Time to actually go play now.



Illogical attacks don't cut it in a real argument.

Address the resale value if you can, but let's not get all playground snippy.


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63supro wrote:
I felt the same way. That's why it was sentenced to the closet. I transferred 6 months of the warranty to satisfy the Karma thing.

Also, if anyone thinks it's a good value, try trading one in or even selling it privately. Then you'll see what kind of value it is. I got more for some old pedals than I got for that HRD amp.


wow that's awesome. Which pedals? I apologize for thinking the HRD can be a good value with decent tone, I must be wrong, I don't have as many posts as you do.
Time to actually go play now.



Illogical attacks don't cut it in a real argument.

Address the resale value if you can, but let's not get all playground snippy.


Wasn't intending to come off as snippy. I actually find Supro and Slap Chop posts to some of the more entertaining posts here. Keep em coming.


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I posted in this thread once, near the beginning, and have been reading responses for a few days now. I feel that it's time to chip in and, perhaps, be a voice of reason.

There seem to be two camps that concern themselves with the Hot Rod Deluxe and Deville: those who have one and love it, and those who had a bad experience with it. Let me address the first of these groups -- a group to which, incidentally, I belong. I think the Hot Rod Deluxe is a good amp for several reasons. First, it's affordable. Buying top shelf valve amps is, frankly, beyond the financial means of many musicians. The HRDx is reasonably priced and, considering the price, is an excellent value so far as tone is concerned. There are manifest reports of people changing tubes and speakers in order to improve the tone of this thing, but I think that it sounds pretty darn good out of the box; it's certainly more than adequate to play rock, blues, jazz or funk with.

Moreover, there are many, many HRDx players who have gigged their amps for months, or even years, and never reported a problem. While there seems to be some evidence that the amp is not designed or built to the same standard as, say, the '65 reissues, there is no reason to suspect that it is inherently faulty. Fender would not rest its reputation on a product -- especially one that sells in the same numbers as the Hot Rod series -- that is actually defective. On the contrary, I think it's built as well as many similar amplifiers. That so many professional and semi-professional musicians rely on their Hot Rods to feed their proverbial families is indicative of an amplifier that is, at minimum, not terrible. People play this amp for a reason: it's relatively inexpensive, it sounds good, it's portable, and it has been tried and tested at myriad concerts.

For those who have experienced problems with these amps, first let me extend my sympathies. Having an expensive piece of equipment fail outright or intermittently is frustrating and unpleasant. Obviously I'm not an expert in valve amps, but I feel it's my place to mention that there is no such thing as a "perfect" piece of gear; the reality is that valve amps are inherently fragile and will eventually, for whatever reason, fail you. And while I do agree that the HRDx could be built using higher-quality components in several key areas (primarily jacks, pots and a relocation of the PCB and/or tubes), I think it's necessary to point out that the number of failures in the Hot Rod series as a percentage of overall sales is probably commensurate with other, similar amps.

Insofar as the HRDx's abysmal reputation online is concerned, I don't believe it's justified. The amp was created for a select market and, frankly, serves most of its owners very well. Problems occur, of course, and I think they're magnified by the relative numbers: more HRDx owners sadly equates to a commensurate number of issues. I must, however, defend the amp. It does what it was designed to do moreover. And I believe that slagging it online achieves no purpose other than asserting one's own financial or moral position. Many of us do not have the available income to purchase a '65 Super or an Eganter or whatever else people have recommended. There's no doubt that the HRDx is, in some ways, a compromise amp; but there's no reason to believe it's as terrible as some have made it out to be.

Finally, I'm sure I'll be crucified for posting this, but please note that I mean no offence to anyone who dislikes the HRDx: you're entitled to an opinion as well. I think it's important, however, to not see the HRDx as anything other than what it is: an affordable valve amp that sounds pretty good and ought to run for a long time if maintained and well-cared for.


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ratboy wrote:
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63supro wrote:
I felt the same way. That's why it was sentenced to the closet. I transferred 6 months of the warranty to satisfy the Karma thing.

Also, if anyone thinks it's a good value, try trading one in or even selling it privately. Then you'll see what kind of value it is. I got more for some old pedals than I got for that HRD amp.


wow that's awesome. Which pedals? I apologize for thinking the HRD can be a good value with decent tone, I must be wrong, I don't have as many posts as you do.
Time to actually go play now.



Illogical attacks don't cut it in a real argument.

Address the resale value if you can, but let's not get all playground snippy.


Wasn't intending to come off as snippy. I actually find Supro and Slap Chop posts to some of the more entertaining posts here. Keep em coming.


I sold an original Musitronics Mutron III with a power supply for $435 and an original Mutron Octave Divider for $625.

Both to the same bidder. The bidding went crazy and that was 3 years ago! How many posts have nothing to do with it. I've been playing music for over 40 years over 20 professionally. I made a half decent living at it too.

SlapChop and myself seem to be some of the few who aren't afraid to speak the truth or express our opinions.
I don't think we'll be doing any product testing for Fender any time soon LOL.

We both belong to the Brotherhood of the Egnater and I'll always be indebted to him for suggesting that amp to me. It is one of THE finest amps out there period. It's like having a boutique amp at a reasonable price.

I'll never make excuses for buying that crummy HRDlx. At least I don't have to mod the Rebel 20 to death to get a decent sound out of it.


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Here, here Vulkan.

You portrayed my thoughts exactly in a very readable and articulate way.

Nice one.

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Vulkan wrote:
I think it's important, however, to not see the HRDx as anything other than what it is: an affordable valve amp that sounds pretty good and ought to run for a long time if maintained and well-cared for.


Oh... so THAT's what a Hot Rod Deluxe is? And yet I know so many people who say that it's a poorly designed, cheaply manufactured hunk of junk that is tweaked not to sound good but to impress novice players with it's potential "db per dollar" at the guitar store and is, essentially, born to die young.

It's not fair to pretend to be the voice of reason when all you're doing is presenting a 500 word version of your opinion that these amps are just fine the way they are. There is no evidence that says that your view of the series is The Unvarnished Truth.

Supro, you're welcome. :D


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Hi Vulkan, well said. On the other hand, the HRDlx is going for $700 at Musicians Friend which really isn't cheap. I paid $800 for my Egnater Rebel 20 with a coupon. Even without a coupon it goes for $849 or less. It's plenty loud enough for most any application and it's quality is outstanding. Thick double sided boards, plated eyelets for component mounting, heat sinks where necessary, no ribbon connectors but hand soldered heavy gauge wires all tied and routed properly, tubes sockets solidly mounted and supported, and the list goes on and on.

It's features such as the tube mix with 6V6 and EL84 power tubes and the ability to dial it down to 1 watt and a tone stack that actually does something as well as covering any musical style from Blues to Metal is amazing and it does it all well.

The HRDlx has had a sour reliability reputation long before I was aware of it. I wish I had done my research.

It used to be Fender amps were ALL exceptional well built amps. I have a 76 Twin that never failed in over 30 years of service and hard knocks. I only had it recapped a few years ago just as a precaution. I also have a 74 Champ that has never been serviced and I used that amp every week to practice or record with.

Things get good and bad reputations for reasons. My HRDlx fell victim to the same problems as many others. My amp tech knew exactly what was wrong with it because he has serviced so many of them.


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I'm going to surprise people by agreeing with vulkan's post.

The hrd's are doing what they were designed for, and at a fairly reasonable price for a tube amp.
They were designed for home use by consumers who could not or did not want to afford top end pro equipment.
And who would be only inconvenienced by a failure needing repairs.

If you try to gig live with one you need to bring at least two or you may find your set suddenly very quite,, and there goes any savings by buying a home consumer level amp..

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