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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:03 pm
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I dont own a HRDX so I can't vouch for it. But this I do know, a satisfied customer is less likely to let anyone know how happy they are with their purchase, but an unsatisfied customer will go out of their way to let the world know how unsatisfied they are. So take this with a grain of salt, but I have a feeling that there are very many satisfied customers out there that are very happy with their amp. If not, would fender still be selling this amp? Hmmmm........ so as long as your experience is satisfying, and you like the tone, and are happy with the amp, does is really matter what anyone else has to say?


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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:25 pm
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SlapChop wrote:
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It really looks like an amplifier.
Um, ok. :roll:


Sorry. That was the nicest thing I could think of. :D


Nicer than anything I have to sat about it. :roll:


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Inspite all of the problems this amp line has(and i believe they do exist), I have to agree with the previous poster that many of the satisfied customers you never hear from.Believe me , if There were more bad amps than good, Fender would have quit making them.They arent gonna lose money on them.I know that they account for every warranty claim that these amps have against them.Everyone knows that most satisfied customers dont shout it from the mountaintops, but an unhappy customer, thats a whole other story as this thread and others can bear witness.


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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:21 pm
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Let me first say, Im not wanting to piss anybody off here. For those of you that have been so vocal about how crappy this amp is, I have to wonder why you bought the damn thing to begin with. Some of you seem to be very knowledgeable and have years of experience with equipment. So how could you get "stuck" with such an amp. Again Im not wanting to piss you guys off, but come on, it's beginning to sound like a broken record.
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:49 pm
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Mostly because first it sounded decent in the store, and second it received good reviews even in Guitar Player Magazine. I never even looked at forums until I started to have some issues with my HRDlx. Then I saw mine wasn't an isolated incident. The same problems occor over and over again. Third, I never in my 40+ years of playing used a PCB tube amp. I had no experience with them. I trusted Fender as a company that I dealt with for many, many years. When I took the back off my HRDlx and saw for myself how it was constructed, I was seriously disappointed. Thin, cheap boards, cheap components and not one piece of real wood in the entire cabinet.

So what I did to solve the problem is I had my tech go over it and sold it while it still had 6 months on the warranty. I went with Egnater and will not buy a new Fender amp until they start building them better. I'll still go used, but only hand wired. Silverface Fenders are still pretty affordable.


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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:41 pm
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I take reviews with a grain of salt anymore.Remember the original Ford Taurus? Got rave reviews.Ditto with the Renault.So did the VG strat and the list goes on and on.I know "hand-wired"is a pretty safe bet, but pcb isnt all bad.I have a 59 bassman reissue that is a pcb amp.Its 13 years old and it had alot of use before i got it and i would put it up against any "hand wired amp" as far as reliability goes.


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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:54 pm
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If you buy a Hot ROd Deluxe and take it home and never move it and play through it once a week and really crank it once a year when the wife is at her annual conference, then you probably think it's the nuts.

If you gig it, you'll find out what's wrong with it.

There are many more bedroom players in this world than gigging musicians. Thats' why there are enough satisfied users to keep Fender producing the darn things.

But make no mistake: the amp is riddled with design flaws, Fender knows what they are, and they've never fixed them. ANy product with this much bad buzz from real experts should be avoided.


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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:36 pm
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"Real experts "as opposed to "fake experts"?I know I have gigged with the HR, BDX , Bjr with minimal problems.I totally understand the reliability issues, but "bedroom players"arent the only satisfied customers.


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Fake as in people who think they know the "facts" but have no real experience in the "facts" that they spout. With all the years I've been playing, I'm still not a real expert, but not a fake one either. I made a living in music when I bet a lot of the members didn't even exist is this world. I have a lot of things to reference.

You have a lot of folks that have a HRDlx for example, that have never played or owned any other model amp or have never left the living room or garage that will tell you the HRDlx is the best amp on the planet and even farts rainbows when sound comes out of it, but have no real reference to anything else. There's nothing to compare it to except in the store for an hour or so. Not real world conditions. Not gigging conditions.

SlapChop makes his living recording and playing music. I would count him in as a real expert. You may not agree with everything he says, but he knows what he's talking about. reliability is important to him and me too. Not as much as it used to, but I still gig from time to time.


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I do consider you folks experts...thats why I asked the question...

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I saw the old band Chicago playing on TV yesterday and the guitar player was using an Egnater, I don't know what model but he was getting some great sounds out of it. Looked like a large Egnater head and I don't know what kind of speakers. Camera man did not give a good shot.


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Supro, I respect what you say as a seasoned musician.Heck, it was really reading your posts that made me realise that there were some unhappy people in the hr camp.One tends to think that because they have had such good luck with a particular line of amps that they must be ok(after all the reviews say they are ok).Its not that I think ALL HRs are junk , but I never gig without a backup when I play my Bjr or my BDX (which is not all that much anymore).If I can , I gig with my Bassman , which is much better built and is a way better sounding amp.Believe it or not Supro, the reason your advice carries alot of weight has just as much to do with the fact that you have never berated anyone as does your years of experience gigging.


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budglo wrote:
"Real experts "as opposed to "fake experts"?


Yes, exactly. Anyone who has spent five minutes on the internet hardly needs to have the distinction sharpened.


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budglo, thanks for the kind words. The way I look at it a good amp should be reliable and inspire you to play because of the way it sounds. The HRDlx didn't do that for me. I'm not saying it won't do it for other people, it just didn't do it for me. The Egnater on the other hand is so easy to create such beautiful tones and is so versatile, that I find myself playing a lot more and creating a new signature tone for myself. It's not a SRV, Beck, Clapton or Page tone. It's mine. The thing is, if you want or need to mimic those tones, it's easy because you can mix the 6V6 ans EL84 power tubes.

I have a friend that has a Basssman RI. It's around 15years old. He tells me you need to keep up on the maintenance such as cap jobs and tubes and such. His just failed from a tube related issue after changing the power tubes. He jumpers the inputs to get a better variation of tones out of it. It's his go-to amp.

fhopkins, Egnater has a Tourmaster series. I think they use modules for different types of sounds. Way too over the top and complex for my needs. Very cool amps though. Bruce Egnater has been around since the 70's and is a respected custom amp builder and designer. He designed amps for many players and also designed amps for Randall which also has modules in some models.


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