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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:22 pm
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I've owned a DSL50 with no issues. I now have an AVT50 that sounds great. Got it used. I personally think the AVT amps sound damn good. I haven't had any Marshalls blow up on me. Least not yet.

But what I gotta say is nothing sounds like a Marshall. They're the perfect amp for hard rock and metal. You don't see Fenders and Soldano's and Egnater's in music videos do you?

Marshall is on top for a reason. Sound.


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357mag wrote:
I've owned a DSL50 with no issues. I now have an AVT50 that sounds great. Got it used. I personally think the AVT amps sound damn good. I haven't had any Marshalls blow up on me. Least not yet.

But what I gotta say is nothing sounds like a Marshall. They're the perfect amp for hard rock and metal. You don't see Fenders and Soldano's and Egnater's in music videos do you?

Marshall is on top for a reason. Sound.
And everyone knows being seen in a music videos is the acid test for amp popularity. :roll: Marshall does what it does very nicely.Fender amps appeal to entirely different crowd.If memory serves me correctly, the original Marshall amps were based on the Bassman circuit.


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As far as AVT's and MG's, They are probably a better amp "for the money" than the JVM or JCM's.

Based on what? The fact that you lot in the states have to pay through the nose for a decent one is only the same as we suffer with fender and gibson. it doesnt lessen the worth of the product or make it worse value for money.

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. Iknow guys that play'um and like'um and thats what I look at. I played marshall for a long time because I believed that they were the standard. .


Played jcm800's since 88 of and on sometimes 45's or 59's, full time since 96. Never had a single problem with em aside from a volume pot gone bad in 2002. I only change valves when the old ones go bang (literaly) or become so microphonic that they squeal whilst i'm playing and its unbearable. They are absolutely rock solid my amps are no namby pamby cuddled by roadie affairs. Their thrown in a van driven round the country, ran hot and thrown back in the van. Sometimes they even have a smelly brit sleeping on them. Heres they are at rehearsall (note the backup 2203kk that never gets used anymore)
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Thats why they are the standard by everyone from Slayer to ZZtop. The humble JCM800 in its 81 incarnation. Not the JTM2203 of 79. The combo of mine isnt even the 2203 circuit its the 2210/4211. Some argue to be a lesser amp because of its diode clipping. (99% of amps use diode clipping in one form or another, the manufacturers just dont admit it). As you can see theres a 2203 i get to compare it very closely to.

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It's all hype, Marshall hasn't made a good product since the late seventies. And what is most upsetting to me is no one ever says anything about this wholesale B.S.job.


Which amplifier was that? The jubilee (widely regarded as the staple studio amp) was from 87. Based on the JCM2203 again not the JTM.

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357mag wrote:
You don't see Fenders and Soldano's and Egnater's in music videos do you?


Welll, no... but "sound" has littel to do with shooting a video. For the visual, Marshall's more just "the cool badge," like a Harley logo. You see plenty of Fenders and Soldanos and Egnaters and Buddas and Two Rocks and Doctor Z's etc., etc. in recording studios, being used to make the records the artists are pretending to play in music videos. But the cool prop is the big Marshall.

Just as everyone had a mental image of Jimmy Page with a Les Paul into a Marshall at all times... it's still taking years for people to realize he recorded most of Led Zep I with a Tele into a 5-watt Supro.


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For a short while i had sponsorship from carlsbro (a friend pulled strings and the bands managment fudged figures, all the usuall story). I recorded 2 cd's with my jcms and the studio twin during that time. Carlsbro had no problem with it at all. They practicaly encouraged it. The rule of sponsorship is 'it can be anything inside the box. Peavy, mesa, marshall a hairdryer even. It has to say carlsbro on the outside when its going to be seen'. Me being the arsey idiot i am and not liking being told what to do, started taking the jcm on the road too and having it off stage. This eventually led to me losing the carlsbro deal.
BTW the 50 TOP EVO is a awesome amplifier. I really was a utter fool to lose out on that.

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rholloman wrote:
Heah .... since you guys are talking high dollar amps here ....
Have any of you seen or heard one of these?

Gibson GA40RVT 30W 1x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp

they list the Features as:

30W Class A
5 - 12AX7 preamp tubes, 2 - 6L6 power tubes
Hand built
Point-to-point wiring
2 channels plus mix input
Tube reverb
Tube tremolo
Pentode/triode switch
12" Eminence Legend Speaker, asymmetrically placed
Metal film resistors
DC powered filaments
Hand-wired turret board
Two-tone vintage brown and tan Tolex


The GA40RVT is a truly luxurious tone machine for the pro who insusts on the genuine article. (their words not mine)

note the price

And here's a 2x12 version - but no picture;

Gibson GA42RVT 30W 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp

They have a picture on the Gibson site - but it looked like the first one to me.
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I guess you folks must have missed it the first time around. :roll:

The 1x12 HAND WIRED, Point-To-Point, hand built amp (read it for yourself) is $849 at MF. Yep .... Check it for yourself

And the 2X12 2 channel HAND WIRED, Point-To-Point, hand built amp (again read it for yourself) is $899 at MF. Again .... check it for yourself.

Both amps I believe have built in TUBE reverb, and built in TUBE tremolo ... I think that's right .... but, read it for yourself to find out for sure.

And .... ah .... how much are those bare bones Fender '57 Champ reissues again?

Or the other amps that have been brought up? :lol: :lol: :lol:

You can ignore them ... but will they go away? :) :wink:


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Here's the Gibson pages about the two amps for anyone that's interested. :)

The Gibson GA40RVT 30W/15W Class A amp

and

The Gibson GA42RVT 30W/15W Class A amp

Looks like Gibson intends to get a big slice of the "amp business" pie.
And they might just do it with those amps at those prices.

If I was buying a new amp today - I would try out one of those for sure.


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Vulkan wrote:
The Blues Jr. is a great amplifier. let'er buck. If you live in your own house -- and not an apartment or condo -- you should be fine, If you have your own place, I'd recommend the PJ over the BJ.



This depends upon your neighbors.. :evil: ... mine almost called the police on me in the summer. I was playing about 8:30 pm on a Friday night and not THAT loud. The neighbors who are in their 40's were ready to call the police but the mother-in-law in her 70's told them not to .... go figure that out . I was using my NOS Blues Jr. which is a great little amp and it was sounding raunchy with my Tele... maybe too raunchy !! :oops:


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The Blues Jr. is a great amplifier. let'er buck. If you live in your own house -- and not an apartment or condo -- you should be fine, If you have your own place, I'd recommend the PJ over the BJ.



This depends upon your neighbors.. :evil: ... mine almost called the police on me in the summer. I was playing about 8:30 pm on a Friday night and not THAT loud. The neighbors who are in their 40's were ready to call the police but the mother-in-law in her 70's told them not to .... go figure that out . I was using my NOS Blues Jr. which is a great little amp and it was sounding raunchy with my Tele... maybe too raunchy !! :oops:


I love stories like that. I had my HRDx and my Pro Junior running wide open in my basement a few weeks ago, and my girlfriend heard it while she was in the driveway. Inside her car. With the stereo on. Yikes!


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I had a Blues Junior in black - when they first came out.

It was $300 then - and overpriced at that - for what it was.

The reverb was non-existent. And all attempts at getting the reverb to work - without any modifications - failed.
It wouldn't do a clean sound at a "usable" volume.
And it ran the EL84 power tubes so hot that it burned the name off the tubes in a couple of months. They needed replacement not long after that.

And yes ... it was biased too hot. I fixed many of the problems myself, which of course voided any warranty that was supposed to be there.
This was long before "Billm" showed up with his now famous mods.

Also tried all the current "flavor of the day" tubes that everyone on the Internet was pushing at that time. It didn't help.

To use an expression someone used about his HRDlx - "the turd wouldn't polish".

I finally gave it away just to get it out of my sight - and so I wouldn't waste anymore time and money on it.

So ... if anyone asks my opinion of my Blues Junior, I think you'll understand when IMHO, it's a total POS.



Regarding my previous posts about the Gibson amps;

I couldn't find any sound demos or reviews for you folks. They aren't in stock at MF. So I'm assuming the amps are brand new models, and as such an unknown at this time. IMHO The old Gibson GA40 sounded great for blues.

Even though Gibson amps did sound pretty good, Fender was better at marketing than Gibson - so more Fender amps were sold. :lol:

But given the prices - I would still want to try one before buying anything these days.

The brand that gives me the most product for the least dollar gets my business.

And if they are all too high? Then - (cah-ching) NO SALE - like many others, I don't buy. :lol:

Please ignore this post too - since the truth about my Blues Junior goes against what some want to believe about the amp. :lol:


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Nevin1985 wrote:
Having one bad amp does not mean the entire production of that model is bad. This is a good, cheap, tube amp. If you are not a professional, having something like a Super Reverb etc is total overkill. Not to mention, not everyone can play one where they live etc.


Nevin its not just one bad amp. Theres a hell of alot of people that feel the same way. Its either because
1 we hear more and demand more through being attentive to what we play.

2 We play terribly and couldnt get a decent sound out of the absolute best gear in the world.

Now i'm not starting any debate on how who plays, simply stating a little known/recognised fact of peoples guitar playing journey. I'd also offer the 3rd amp user
3, The user who is happy with mid level sounding stuff, or who doesnt hear or doesnt realize how it sounds.

Myself and a few others arent happy with the amp, but are with other amps. The only real way this debate will be solved is to suck it and see. For the OP to borrow a Bjr and try it out for a month. Really have time to wear the novelty factor out of it.

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My experience of the amp is very similar. The reverb and treble controls dont do anything at low volume. The master volume maxes at 5. The amp sounds muddy unless its set between 4-5 with the treble on full.

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I know lots of players still gigging with 80's and 90's Marshall's LOL. I disagree, Marshall's are pretty tough amps. Especially the hand wired stuff. You see a lot more Marshall stuff on arena stages than Fender.


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Marshalls IMHO are any thing but reliable.


Thats why they've been the worlds best selling and most commonly gigged amp since 1967 then?

Dont confuse marshall with that AVT/MG stuff. When you've run a JCM for 4 hours a night for 20 nights every month with the master set to 8, thats when you get to know marshalls reliability.

I've owned 5 of those over rated, sorry excuse for an amplifier. I blew them up thats why I got to try out so many. They were all tube combos and heads produced from '84 till '94 the avt and mg's were not even on the horizon at marshall. I've played them Ive owned 'um and I know with out any lack of conviction that they are super junk garbage.
As far as AVT's and MG's, They are probably a better amp "for the money" than the JVM or JCM's . Iknow guys that play'um and like'um and thats what I look at. I played marshall for a long time because I believed that they were the standard. but in reality I think I just did'nt have enough courage to make my own decitions. It's all hype, Marshall hasn't made a good product since the late seventies. And what is most upsetting to me is no one ever says anything about this wholesale B.S.job.


LOL! I still know people who still gig with Marshall's from the 70's and 80's. Hard to believe you blew up that many. I've been playing for over 40 years at festivals and fairly decent sized venues and never killed that many amps. Youe last name isn't Hendrix is it? :D

The only piece of garbage I ever owned was my HRDlx.


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A bit removed from the OP.

On amp blowing do you leave a drink ontop of your amps when playing? I remember letting a support band use my amp and the guitarist put her drink on my amp. I went crazy, got myself under control. Went onstage inbetween songs handed her, her drink and asked her not to put it on my amp. All very discretely so it looked like i was commending her playing and giving her,her drink. (a quite low key gig). Couple o more songs later she did the same thing. I just unplugged my amp and told her to use someone elses to finish their set.
Out of all the gigs i've played the only amp problems i've ever come across are the volume pot trouble i mentioned a few posts back and drinks spilt down amps. I've never seen a amp die onstage from component failiure. I guess it happens, but it must be rare, theres ususaly some kind of mis-use going on, even if its the old 97 plugs into one outlet jem.

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Yeah , some of the setups on stage are pretty scary.The plug situation sometimes resembles some kind of new artform.


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