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Post subject: CyberTwin Code Puzzle
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:42 am
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I have no idea what 75% of the CyberTwin SE Presets refer to. Is there a guide that translates from the Fender code words to more recognizeable names?

e.g.,
Dirty Thirty = Vox AC30
High Voltage = AC/DC Tone


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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:48 pm
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I think you should visit the site:
http://www.generalcybersystems.com/GCSWebSite/index.php
The manuals should help. Then there's Cyber Commander, it may be what you need.

Ciao,
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:18 am
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johnny stecchino wrote:
I think you should visit the site:
http://www.generalcybersystems.com/GCSWebSite/index.php
The manuals should help. Then there's Cyber Commander, it may be what you need.

Ciao,
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That's not exactly what I'm looking for. What I need is some help translating from the pre-set name to something more descriptive.

e.g.,
HMB = Marshall Sound
Lucille = BB King Tone
Teen Grundge = Nirvana Tone

These are the few that I understand. I don't understand many of the other presets.

e.g.,
Foo's Heor = ???
Philthy = ???
Radio Rush = ???
Mississippi Head = ???
JD's Modern Twin = ???
....


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:25 am
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Foo's Hero = The guitar tone from the Foo Fighters record "My Hero"

Rush Radio = Same thing, only Rush's "Spirit of Radio"

Mississippi Head = I"d guess that's a gritty "Delta" blues tone

JD'S Modern Twin = Probably a reference to Jerry Donahue


Still... not to be a wiseguy, but why do you care what they mean? The important thing is what it sounds like, right?


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:56 am
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I just don't like "not knowing" I suppose. In other cases I may want to familiarize myself with the source/artist behind the tone.

The more artist's sound I can replicate (both in equipment tone and "meat/finger/bone tone"), the larger my technique toolbox becomes for expressing my own sound.


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:17 am
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I have wondered the same thing about some of those "names". :wink:

Why couldn't they have used names that mean something - like "Pipeline", "Perfidia", "Lullaby of the Leaves" - names like that, that EVERYONE :wink: that is a guitar player either knows or should know. :lol: :wink:

But, like slapchop said, I finally figured out that the sound was what was important.

Then comes the part about putting a name on the sound that means something to you (or me). For that, I just save what I like to the players lounge, with a name that has meaning to me.

What I thought of the name "Mississippi Head" - it might be someones take of the sound of a Peavey head. Or, maybe the "your guess is as good as mine" sound. Who knows??? :lol:


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:30 am
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mechtonia wrote:
I just don't like "not knowing" I suppose. In other cases I may want to familiarize myself with the source/artist behind the tone.

The more artist's sound I can replicate (both in equipment tone and "meat/finger/bone tone"), the larger my technique toolbox becomes for expressing my own sound.

(emphasis added by rholloman)



Not meant in any way to be offensive - or a wise guy. Just a suggestion offered to help a person out. OK?

You might want to focus more on learning all the different scales, modes and different chord structures. These make up a very large part of a musicians "toolbox".

Many times you can use your own "tone", with your own "style" to do your own version of a song - and make it turn out fine. And many times your audience will love it. Sometimes even more than the original (or so some have said).

My feelings?? - Since I can never BE the person that did the song originally - I just BE myself. :lol:


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:58 pm
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Mississippi Head = I"d guess that's a gritty "Delta" blues tone


It refers to Leslie West's tone used on 'Mississippi Queen'. You have to realize that due to copywrite/legal reasons, that a user must read between the lines on the presets.

And, I'm find that most of the guitarists here are young, and may not 'get' the names of the presets.

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Post subject: Custom Shop presets
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:46 pm
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About 6 years ago, the same question came up numerous times on another forum. A few people submitted their ideas as to what the presets were "trying" to emulate, & someone put them all together in this document. I kept a copy of that post. This is all other people's work, not mine. This was way before the SE was released. Most of it is reasonable, decide for yourself. Here it is.


C00 Stadium Rock = as stated What it says, 80's stadium rock -
C01 High Voltage = AC/DC
C02 A twin reverb = as stated
C03 Morning Light = (Song by Multiple artist) Kim Simmonds, Spirit,
Sea Level & Phil Keaggy
C04 Nite Bobs set = Recording Guru (anything Nite Bob=Joe Perry)
C05 Retro Supreme - '60s tremolo tone
C06 First Zep = as stated
C07 Stolen Moment = (Song by Multiple artist) Kenny Burrell,
Stanley Jordan, Jimmy Raney, Lee Ritenour
& Andy Summers
C08 Cliffs = Eric Johnson Cliffs of Dover
C09 Rhythim Blues= as stated
C10 Cosmik Slime = Grateful Dead
C11 *Heavy Soul = Heavy by Collective Soul
Issac Hayes tone 'Hot Buttered Soul'
C12 Classic Desire = U2 ( Desire)
C13 Radioactive fire- The firm Jimmy Page
C14 Still Night =Whitesnake
C15 Peruvian skies = named after the song by John Petrucci
and Dream Theater
C16 High fly Zone = Randy Rhodes Flying high again
C17 No Name Streets = U2 Where The Streets Have No Names
C18 One Panner = ? as stated
C19 Smokin' = Smoke On The Water
C20 Double Delay = as stated
C21 Pink Brick =Pink Floyd
C22 Nite Bob Express = Recording guru
C23 Fuzzy Dice = ???
C24 *Texas Bar room = SRV
C25 Fifth Ave = Clean jazz tone
C26 Reverb Bassman= as stated
C27 Barracuda = Heart
C28 Boogie nights = Disco type sound wah/rhythm
C29 Shadows = The Shadows. UK surf band
C30 Southern Man = Neil Young
C31 Sick calliope = Preset to demonstrate unusual sound effects
C32 Thrash Master = 80?s Metal Lead
C33 Lucille = B.B. King sound
C34 Reel to real = Effects preset
C35 Vaitality = Steve Vai
C36 Harmonic Chimes = as stated
C37 Route 66 = U2 Get your kicks ..
C38 Swell-ter = Effects preset
C39 Attic Bound Toy = Toys in the Attic Aerosmith – Joe Perry
C40 Tremassic = Effects preset
C41 B movie = as stated; for type of sound associated with a
C42 Nite Bob Stomps = Recording guru
C43 Three Steps = Gimme Three Steps Skynyrd
C44 Red House = Jimi Hendrix
C45 Schools out = Alice Cooper
C46 Subliminal Jimi = Jimi Hendrix backwards delay
C47 Rockabilly = as stated
C48 Big wet lead = as stated
C49 Radio Rush = Rush
C50 Pull me under = Jon Petrucci Dream theatre
C51 Hocus Focus = Krokus
C52 Twang thang = Pickin' and Grinnin'
C53 Mississippi Head = Mountains Mississippi Queen
C54 Jumpin' Jack = Jumpin' Jack Flash by the Stones
C55 Hang Ten = Dick Dale
C56 Vibro-Page = Led Zep
C57 Think Floyd = Pink Floyd
C58 Tex Mex = Jimmie Vaughan
C59 Vintage Edge = as stated
C60 Gonzos = Ted Nugent
C61 59 & 63 Reverb = As stated
C62 Road mojo = Doors
C63 Brown Sound = Early Van Halen
C64 Rhapsody = Queen – Brian May
C65 Metal Lead = as stated
C66 What you are = Come as you are Nirvana
C67 Trowerful = Robin Trower
C68 5th above = as stated
C69 Detuned slap = as stated
C70 Chained Diver = ???
C71 Voodoo Haze = Hendrix Wah
C72 Mista scary = George Lynch of Dokken
C73 Spirit pad = sound effect "pad" tone
C74 ZZ Tweed = ZZ top
C75 Mystic = ???
C76 Fender Vibratone = as stated
C77 Lizard Crawl = The Doors
C78 *Supernatural = Robben Ford Supernatural - Carlos Santana?
C79 Browner Sound = newer Van Halen
C80 Sixties Fuzz =- as stated, Kinks
C81 Shredder = Satriani etc
C82 Alien rock = Preset to demonstrate unusual sound effects
C83 Frankenstein = Edgar Winter Group
C84 Teen Grunge = Nirvana, Kurt Cobain


HMB settings are Marshall amps replicated.

Blackface is typically thought of as the Fender sparkly clean tone, think like a Twin Reverb. Although some distortion (think evil Twin) sounds pretty good.

Tweed is a more easily broken-up classic Fender tone. Tweed is famous for the tones on early Zeppelin and Clapton's tone on stuff like "Layla".

British Tone Stack is based on Vox and Marshall type amps. For vox think Brian May and the Beatles. For Marshall, well too many to name but Hendrix comes to mind immediately.

Modern is based on the newer modern type amps including, I think, Fender's Hot Rod series. More specifically can also be used to emulate stuff like Mesa Boogie and other high gain stuff.

Use the tone stacks with the different tube circuitry to get the exact sound you are looking for. For example a Blackface tone stack with blackface tube 1 or 2 will give you the sparkley clean Fender tone. Likewise, Modern Tone Stack with Hot Rod Tube 3, HMB Tube 3 or DynaTouch 3 or 4 will give you a very heavy modern type sound.


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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:51 pm
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Hey LesK that is some fantastic info man! Your advice on how to use tone stacks is one easiest to understand I've read.

I just bought a Cyber-Twin last week and I'm loving it but I've been frustrated by how information is scattered all over the web. I made a myspace page to try and get all the CT data in some sort of collection:

http://www.myspace.com/cybertwinclub

I'm still working on it today but hopefully you'll join. As well as any other CT owners. I'd llike to post clips from different CT players so we could all hear what sounds they have come with.

Cheers!

Dan


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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:10 am
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LesK, FTW. Many thanks for that! Even though I have an SE most of these still apply.


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Post subject: Re: CyberTwin Code Puzzle
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:47 pm
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I'm very fond of my Cyber Twin for recording, direct and mic'd, Just a thought regarding Cyber Twin C51, i've always thought 'Hocus Focus' was related to the tone Jan Akkerman achieved in the early 1970's using a Fender Super Showman solid state amp live running a Colour Sound treble booster in front of the amp and studio recordings made on the album 'Moving Waves' apparently with Twins. Later Focus recordings he added Marshall, and Leslie cabinets.



1970/1 Album Moving Waves, Track Hocus Pocus
http://youtu.be/MV0F_XiR48Q

US 1973 Super Showman, Marshall, Fender Twin ?
http://youtu.be/g4ouPGGLI6Q

Nothing to do with the conversation, my version a a Focus/Akkerman track !!
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_2971482


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Post subject: Re: CyberTwin Code Puzzle
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:59 pm
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Could "Hocus Focus" be Gary Hoey - Hocus Pocus?

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Post subject: Re: CyberTwin Code Puzzle
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:21 am
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I'm sure it could. As a long time Focus and Jan Akkerman fan, i'm bias towards my theory. When I first plugged into the Cyber Twin, C51, and played the opening riff to Hocus Pocus i thought, that's it, they've got it.


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