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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:48 am
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That's all fine and good. Everybody compares it to a "Classic Fender Sound" and it isn't. Why did Fender call it the Bandmaster. To make you think it had something to do with the original. That's why I took a look at it in the first place. Saw what it was and took a pass. Why didn't Fender name it something new? It's the same reason I bought an Egnater. To be unique.

No one s lecturing you or anybody else. The OP asked the question and YOU didn't &^$% the answer. Too bad. I'm not the only one who posted that wasn't floored by the VM series. It's no reflection on you or how you sound or play.


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That's all fine and good. Everybody compares it to a "Classic Fender Sound" and it isn't. Why did Fender call it the Bandmaster. To make you think it had something to do with the original. That's why I took a look at it in the first place. Saw what it was and took a pass. Why didn't Fender name it something new? It's the same reason I bought an Egnater. To be unique.

No one s lecturing you or anybody else. The OP asked the question and YOU didn't &^$% the answer. Too bad. I'm not the only one who posted that wasn't floored by the VM series. It's no reflection on you or how you sound or play.


You're attributing meaning that I didn't express. IN YOUR OPINION Fender called it by a name so dipwads like me would run into the store, baaing like sheep, to get the "classic tone?"

Pul-leeze. Go water your begonias.

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What are you nuts? Who was even talking to you? Who called anybody a dipwad? Grow up :roll:


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It's a little late for me to grow up...I'm afraid I got off om a tangent.

If I understand you correctly, you object to the names of the recent hybrid amps (much as I, as a onetime '55 Thunderbird owner, objected when that name was applied to bulky sedans), and you don't think the new ones are similar to the old. Know what? You're right.

I think it's great that Fender is striking out in new directions -- I have a Jazzmaster Ultralight that's become one of my favorite amps -- rather than endlessly reproducing the old one. Guess what: the '50s and '60s are over.

That's not to say that a great sounding amp of any era isn't just that. A friend has a '67 Super that's everything I think an older Fender should be. And I understand that you might listen to it, and immediately complain that it wasn't the real thing.

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There's nothing wrong with evolving in new directions. The Jazzmaster Ultralight is a fine example. It's a seriously nice amp and I'm not a huge fan of ss amps. What I object to is calling something Vintage Modified, when it's nothing like a vintage anything. Call them something else. My Egnater Rebel is one of the freshest designs I've seen in years. Talk about evolution.

It's just seems that Fender is losing it's voice not evolving it. I'm not some old guy hanging on to the past. I even have a GDec 30 to practice with. It's something different that just does what it does. I like new and old technology.


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63supro wrote:
but you need to play more real Fender amps.


I played through a 60's Super Reverb when I was in Austin and it was the best sounding amp I've ever heard. However, I can't afford one (or even lift one :lol:). I've played through a Supersonic, and I actually liked the VM way better than that one, I've played through Deluxe Reverbs, Twin Reverbs etc. The VM sounds a little different, but it's still well within the realm of what a Fender should sound like.
Bottom line, the VM is pretty much the amp equivalent of a MIM Strat. And I have a pretty high opinion of MIM Strats, even if a lot of people don't.

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but you need to play more real Fender amps.


I played through a 60's Super Reverb when I was in Austin and it was the best sounding amp I've ever heard. However, I can't afford one (or even lift one :lol:). I've played through a Supersonic, and I actually liked the VM way better than that one, I've played through Deluxe Reverbs, Twin Reverbs etc. The VM sounds a little different, but it's still well within the realm of what a Fender should sound like.
Bottom line, the VM is pretty much the amp equivalent of a MIM Strat. And I have a pretty high opinion of MIM Strats, even if a lot of people don't.




Well said man. Look at all my Fender gear at the bottom of my post, none of it is U.S. but I still love it as its uniquely Fender and its all great gear.

The only thing Fender I have thats made in the U.S. is my g&g case for my 72 Tele RI. :lol:

One day I will get my 52 American Vintage though!!

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If you want to branch off in new directions, you give the products new names.

If you want to market based on the classic sounds people think they want, then you give the products the OLD names, and old designs, too, so that people end up asking, "So, If I want something that sounds like a tweed Twin, whattya think? A Hot Rod DeVille?" (Well, it sure LOOKS kind of like a tweed Twin...)


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SlapChop wrote:
If you want to branch off in new directions, you give the products new names.

If you want to market based on the classic sounds people think they want, then you give the products the OLD names, and old designs, too, so that people end up asking, "So, If I want something that sounds like a tweed Twin, whattya think? A Hot Rod DeVille?" (Well, it sure LOOKS kind of like a tweed Twin...)
But on the other hand, i have seen people knock the reissue series because they "arent built or sound anything like the original ", but what people fail to recognise is technology has come along ways since 1959 and of course side by side they wont sound the same because the 50 year old caps and resistors have drifted in their values.Now put a 59 Bassman ri against a 58 bassman brand new using all the exact same new parts and we might have a discussion.


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budglo wrote:
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If you want to branch off in new directions, you give the products new names.

If you want to market based on the classic sounds people think they want, then you give the products the OLD names, and old designs, too, so that people end up asking, "So, If I want something that sounds like a tweed Twin, whattya think? A Hot Rod DeVille?" (Well, it sure LOOKS kind of like a tweed Twin...)
But on the other hand, i have seen people knock the reissue series because they "arent built or sound anything like the original ", but what people fail to recognise is technology has come along ways since 1959 and of course side by side they wont sound the same because the 50 year old caps and resistors have drifted in their values.Now put a 59 Bassman ri against a 58 bassman brand new using all the exact same new parts and we might have a discussion.


I think another good point is that the old amps used to blow-up (not like a bomb of course) quite regularly. At least this is the impression I've gotten from reading the biographies of Hendrix. I do wonder just how reliable those old amps were given the stories people tell.


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bbrodie wrote:
senggedorje wrote:
budglo wrote:
SlapChop wrote:
If you want to branch off in new directions, you give the products new names.

If you want to market based on the classic sounds people think they want, then you give the products the OLD names, and old designs, too, so that people end up asking, "So, If I want something that sounds like a tweed Twin, whattya think? A Hot Rod DeVille?" (Well, it sure LOOKS kind of like a tweed Twin...)
But on the other hand, i have seen people knock the reissue series because they "arent built or sound anything like the original ", but what people fail to recognise is technology has come along ways since 1959 and of course side by side they wont sound the same because the 50 year old caps and resistors have drifted in their values.Now put a 59 Bassman ri against a 58 bassman brand new using all the exact same new parts and we might have a discussion.


I think another good point is that the old amps used to blow-up (not like a bomb of course) quite regularly. At least this is the impression I've gotten from reading the biographies of Hendrix. I do wonder just how reliable those old amps were given the stories people tell.


LMAO :D Hendrix's amps were modded at pushed to serious extremes. I had a 30 year old Twin that never "blew-up". I never saw or heard of people blowing up amps on a regular basis way back. I've also been playing for 40+ years. I still have a 35 year old Champ amp that never blew up either. The only amps that ever failed on me was the HRDlx and a GDec 15. Fender did replace the GDec though.

One time a friend of mine had some Marshall half stack that cooked. We're talking around 1973-74 because he kept it in his basement and it was real damp. Some condensation got to it and shorted out some stuff.

If you think they were unreliable, why would so many people covet them and pay top dollar for them? They weren't old back then. Fender amps only used to come with a one year warranty. That's usually all they ever needed.


In regards to Hendrix, I wasn't referring to his 67-70 period, I'm referring to 60-66 or so. Now, I'm not sure what model amps he and others were using, but I'm also not willing to believe that something, anything is better because it's old. Even SRV was in love with an old Marshall amp that his techs couldn't keep working. Apparently when it did, it had great tone. But Stevie Ray, on the song D/FW, when using his brother's amp and guitar, sounds like SRV. It's not the gear that matters, it's the player.

Furthermore, if we take cars as an example, the most popular cars aren't necessarily the most reliable. Older cars, which fetch prices much higher than the original selling price aren't more fuel efficient or safer than modern cars. All I want to stress is that old isn't necessarily better. And people with money to burn will burn it in all sorts of ways. A guy who can play will sound great regardless, I think.


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Sometimes it is. Stuff is made like garbage today. Washers, dryers tv's you name it. When our old dryer died, it took 2 big guys to take it out and they had a hard time, and just one to bring in the new one. I had one of the original VCR's for close to 15 years, the new one 3 years and it was landfill. It's not technology, it's profits and lack of pride to make anything that lasts.

See how many HRDlx amps will be around in 20,30 or 40 years. SRV played vintage amps. They were older than he was when he got them. They got to be that old because they were made well with quality components when they were first made. Hendrix just abused his stuff just like Clapton and Townsend in those days.


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I've read in several places that SRV tended to make amps blow up too. And his vintage Fenders were modified with different speakers and tubes. I think the fact that people like Hendrix and SRV made amps blow up has less to do with the amp itself and more to do with the fact that they both cranked their amps up all the way all the time, played practically every night, and were both notoriously hard on gear. Just look at their guitars, they're either fried to a crisp or it looks like a dog used it as a chew toy. :lol:

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You are right Supro, things today are just disposable.Its a result of living in a global economy.Cheaper labor, cheaper parts, not neccesarily a cheaper product.Today we have to compete with not only Mexico and Japan, but Korea, Taiwan, China and other 3rd world countries.Most things today its cheaper to replace them than fix them.


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