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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:25 am
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Personally if you are looking for the classic Fender clean then i would check out the Deluxe Reverb.Its your classic blackface tone with tube driveb reverb and only 22 watts.It is well known for being a small club amp.You can mic it for larger venues.Easier on the back than a deville and nicer tones too.


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For Fender, I'd go with a DRRI. 22 watts. Great sounding amp. I sold my HRDlx because of reliability issues and bought an Egnater Rebel 20. In my 40+ years of playing, it's one of the most versatile and finest sounding amps I've ever owned. The Egnater can mimic so many amps without any digital effects and the wattage is variable from 1 to 20 watts.

You can gig just about any situation with a 20 watt amp. The HRDlx at 40 watts is too loud as is the Deville. Neil Young relies in a 5e3 Deluxe that on a good day puts out 12 or 13 watts.

Don't get too caught up in the wattage thing. More is not necessarily better. I gig with guys who get monstrous tones from 18 watt Marshalls.


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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:45 am
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Indeed.... a 40 watt amp is NOT twice as loud as a 20 watt amp. Maxed out, that 40 watt amp is only 3db louder than a 20 watt amp. All things being equal, double the power produces an increase of 3db in volume. A 100 watt amp is 3db louder than a 50 watt, and only 6db louder than a 25 watt amp. No foolin'.

And if the 20 watt amp is paired with a more efficient speaker than the 40 watt, maybe the difference isn't even THAT great. ANd I don't know enough to get into the whole "perceived volume: thing, but I know it's real.

Truth is, a 20 watt guitar amp will fill up any bar. If you're playing great big clubs with cabaret seating a huge dance floor and a bar beyond, you'll need to mic it. But down at the 4D's Bar & Grill, if you need more than 20 watts, I hope I never get stuck in a room with your band.


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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:35 am
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The Egnater demonstrates this really well. The amp is still plenty loud at 1 watt but not as quite in your face. Which would be the db drop.
20 watts would be just fine. Huge places, you would need to be mic'd anyway just to get a good mix and keep the stage volume at a reasonable level.


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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:56 pm
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Dragz wrote:
My eyes are back set on the Fender BLues Deville now. I don't know wat to do. haha. but it will take a while till i get the money anywayz.

but is the Blues Deville really clean sound???? and would it be good for small venues?

Well I have a Twin Reverb which is very loud, and very clean and even thats fine for small venues.
The only thing with clean, loud amps is that you can't crank it. On my Twin Reverb, I have to have it all the way up for the sound to break up, and generally, for a gig... I have the volume on about 4. Lots have said it works well with pedals, but theres such I different in tone when I go from the cleanest of sounds to a fuzz face... I'm not keen on it.
If you want to spend alot on an amp, go for the '65 re-issue Deluxe Reverb, or if you don't want to spend to much, maybe even a Hot Rod Deluxe instead of the Deville? Or as I said before, a Blues Junior.


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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:02 pm
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But one of the problems with the HR series is the volume pot is touchy and is hard to control.


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That's just one of the problems.
Thats the only problem mine have had. know there are other problems, but what we dont know is if they are widespread or not.


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budglo wrote:
bbrodie wrote:
That's just one of the problems.
Thats the only problem mine have had. know there are other problems, but what we dont know is if they are widespread or not.


"Oh, yes we do... we know this very well. I know it. Now I want you to know it, too. It will be a secret that we share..."

Nichols and May, "The Wrong Number."

Kidding aside, check out the laundry list of dead amps at www.thefenderforum.com. Hot Rod amps slowly self-destructing is a widespread problem.


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SlapChop wrote:
budglo wrote:
bbrodie wrote:
That's just one of the problems.
Thats the only problem mine have had. know there are other problems, but what we dont know is if they are widespread or not.


"Oh, yes we do... we know this very well. I know it. Now I want you to know it, too. It will be a secret that we share..."

Nichols and May, "The Wrong Number."

Kidding aside, check out the laundry list of dead amps at www.thefenderforum.com. Hot Rod amps slowly self-destructing is a widespread problem.
But we dont know if this is the vocal minority or not.I dont deny they are a problem, but how big of one is the question.I have searched and it seems that thefenderforum posters have a vast majority of the problem amp.Is it just a fluke or does misery love company?


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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:48 pm
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Great amp and I own one. Unfortunately, it is WAY TOO loud for anything I've ever done. Someone else said it goes from loud to louder and that is an accurate statement. It's also heavy. I play out at small clubs and have honestly never been able to turn it up over 2. It kills me because this thing screams but you have to crank it.

Do yourself a favor and look at lower wattage amps. I know bigger looks better and has a certain "cool" factor, but you'll never be able to make it sing like it is made to do unless you play very large clubs or arenas.

I am currently looking at selling mine and getting either a DRRI or a Deluxe. I probably should still look at something smaller than the 40 watt Deluxe.

Good luck.


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I am fully aware of all the problems with the hr line.I also agree the components are cheaper than say a deluxe reverb.I am just not convinced that its as widespread as some make it out.One thing that needs to be understood is that it is a budget amp.Its not a mini twin or a mini bassman, its a budget amp designed for people who want a tube amp , but cant afford a 1600 dollar super reverb.I think what we are dealing with is expectations .Some people expect it to replace that vintage amp that they have had for years.I still believe its not designed for heavy gigging like say a twin.I think my beef lies in some people telling everyone not to get this amp regardless of their situation .If you use it to play at home , if you gig occasionally and handle it with care , it will probably be ok.I dont want to recommend a 1200 deluxe reverb to a 14 year old that only plays at home and sometimes with friends because some people tagged the entire hotrod series junk because of their personal experience with 1 amp.


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I believed all the hype. It's a Fender right? I've used the for 3/4 of my time on earth. I trusted them. My mistake. I wish someone warned me so I could have investigated it further. The first I read about the problems were at FDP, Then TFF Here too, then Justin's site. I wanted something different, not as clean or loud as my Twin something with a little grit. I should have sold it way sooner, I was just too lazy. Unless a 14 year old kid is really good, I wouldn't spend that much on an amp anyway. I also wouldn't buy him a 40 amp to drive me nuts with. Check many forum. There are tons of amp forums with tons of HRD problems. The posts always start the same. I love my HRD.... But...........


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