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Shane's not my boss, actually, but he's certainly a very cool dude and one HECK of a fine guitar picker. Hope you had a chance to hear him play somethin' when you met him!!


He told me me was the boss of bosses..............naw, he didn't :lol:. And you're right, he can play!

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Wasn't he the guy responsible for programming all the original G-DEC presets?


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Maruuk wrote:
How about a single-ended 15-20 watt monotube power stage amp from Fender with power soak a la the much-anticipated Peavey Windsor Studio? You can swap out tubes from 6L6s to KT66s to whatever. Fender would sell about a gazillion of em. Totally giggable, pure Class A, a boutique sound made in China on PCBs and all for under $500! That would be the hit of the show. Especially since Peavey can't figure out how to make theirs and their shipping date has slipped into the late Fall or worse.


I have to agree with Maruuk on this idea. I think that this is the way to go for versatile amps. Fender's knowledge with Champs, Princetons, Deluxes, Blues Juniors etc. would go a long way to make a killer 10-20 watt amp with interchangeable power and pre-amp tubes with their circuits. The Windsor Studio (by Peavey) and the Univalve and Bivalve (by THD) are great ideas for getting the tones we are looking for, but power attenuators are sterile and rob tone. Changing tubes to get certain tones are the key. Don't bother with power soaks. This is what modelling amps should be like.


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Yeah, I like the idea that a KT66 in that config gives you a 5-watt boost up to 20, and it gives you the same harmonics-soaked tube that made the legendary Cream sound. Ok, this would be class-A, but heck, that's even better! Give us a cab about the size of the Blues Deluxe for that deep thumpin' resonance and what's not to like?


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Single ended KT66s, 6L6GTs and El34 would be a great versatile low to mid powered amp to be sure but an A/B class 6V6/EL84 (with yellow jacket type socket converters) would also be a great set-up. The problem is in having the proper output transformer for single or duel power output tube configuration. I know that Mesa has some sort of an output tranny that will handle a single or duel power tube mode but the jury is still out on the effectiveness of the set-up. It seams that there is a large difference in the available power between the single and duel modes.
Swapping pre-amp tubes is a little easier in this respect. I personally prefer using 5751s or 12AY7s for a little less gain than a 12AX7. The power tube overdrive is easier to tweak and sounds fuller, to my ears anyway.
Another idea, while I am on a roll here, would be to have two separate input channels with the low using 5751s and the high using 12AX7s through a split tail phaze inverter to an interchangeable power tube stage. That would be a pricey item but, imagine the fun and the different sounds one could conjure up with it!!
For now though, I would really like to see if Fender could come up with a THD type of amp with out the tone sucking power attenuator. I believe that with Fender's knowledge and manufacturing capabilities, they could build a very good amp like this. Here's hoping !!!!


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would love to see a reissue of a bassman head of the mid 60s or showman tremolux any of those piggy back stacks they are my favorite amps


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Yeah, Dan Torres makes a living out of modding them just like Bill M. does the BJs. You make a great point, Fender has these terrific new SS heads complete with matching 1-12" bottoms...why not a new line of small to midsize tube heads? Back to the piggyback era!!!


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the piggy back stack is awsome and there all the rage now the bassmans,tremoluz,bandmaster,showman the list gose on people are lining up to buy em off Ebay why not reissue all of them and slash the price on em too haha or maybe make a more affordable vesion of the super sonic which with the 2x12 cab is remenicent of the piggyback stack

iam just a fan of smaller stacks/combos i love old fenders
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Head & cabs are OK but please don't reference to the Super Sonic models. These have to be the worst tube amps Fender has ever put their fine name on.
Interchangeable tube amps can be built as head & cab affairs. Let's keep the cheesy digital amp modeling out of the picture, at least until they can find a way to digitize splendor and feel of a particular amp and not just approximately imitate the sounds.
Scrap the SS line to make manufacturing room for real versatile tube amps.


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Colin,
Maybe the Super-Sonic you tried was defective, because Dweezil Zappa, Billy Gibbons, David Lee, Greg Koch, Jeff Beck, and many other folks have praised the Super-Sonic's tone on stage. And there is no modeling of any kind in it, just tubes and old-school components.

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Colin N. wrote:
Head & cabs are OK but please don't reference to the Super Sonic models. These have to be the worst tube amps Fender has ever put their fine name on.
Interchangeable tube amps can be built as head & cab affairs. Let's keep the cheesy digital amp modeling out of the picture, at least until they can find a way to digitize splendor and feel of a particular amp and not just approximately imitate the sounds.
Scrap the SS line to make manufacturing room for real versatile tube amps.


Colin: since we're talking about "tone" here -- the tone of your note above is not really what we are looking for on this forum. Hey, if you don't like a given product, that's A-OK ... it's a given that no single product (or product line, for that matter) is going to please everybody! But there's a far nicer and more respectful way to say the above: for example, "The Super-Sonic™ amp that I tried just really didn't do it for me personally."

I also have to throw in my own $.02 on the matter and echo Shane's comments here. The Super-Sonics that I've tried have had me rethinking my whole rig -- yes, they're that good. Tone is in the ear of the beholder, of course, but for what I personally am wanting to hear from an amp I cannot say enough good things about these.

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i loved the super sonic i played not so much the combo but the head its very retro lookin and iam a vintage nut even tho i couldnt aford anything made pre cbs ha (iam only 16) so i ended up not going with a true fender and getting a music man but its just the poor mans twin or bassman its awsome

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Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
Colin N. wrote:
Head & cabs are OK but please don't reference to the Super Sonic models. These have to be the worst tube amps Fender has ever put their fine name on.
Interchangeable tube amps can be built as head & cab affairs. Let's keep the cheesy digital amp modeling out of the picture, at least until they can find a way to digitize splendor and feel of a particular amp and not just approximately imitate the sounds.
Scrap the SS line to make manufacturing room for real versatile tube amps.


Colin: since we're talking about "tone" here -- the tone of your note above is not really what we are looking for on this forum. Hey, if you don't like a given product, that's A-OK ... it's a given that no single product (or product line, for that matter) is going to please everybody! But there's a far nicer and more respectful way to say the above: for example, "The Super-Sonic™ amp that I tried just really didn't do it for me personally."

I also have to throw in my own $.02 on the matter and echo Shane's comments here. The Super-Sonics that I've tried have had me rethinking my whole rig -- yes, they're that good. Tone is in the ear of the beholder, of course, but for what I personally am wanting to hear from an amp I cannot say enough good things about these.


Brad; I own a Custom Vibrolux Reverb and absolutely love it's tone. What I was referring to, and obviously missed the mark in conveying my thought, was that I am not a fan of the SS and that I would like to see a tube swapping type of amp from Fender because I believe that Fender could do a much better job of it than other companies out there. My reference to digitizing tones was not meant as a slam to the SS, but to modeling amps in general. When I tried out the SS model I was comparing it to my own Vibrolux and quite frankly it did not meet my expectations. Yes I agree that tone is a very subjective to each ear, however as I was looking at the SS as a way to have a Vibrolux and a Bassman together, I was not satisfied with the result. The Bassman Reissue is on my list as the next amp I want to add to my personal collection of tones so, I will just wait until I can afford one and then run it with an A/B switch with my Vibrolux. I apologize to any fan of the Super Sonic series amps if I have offended you. I have been a Fender user for a long time (30 years+) but I must admit that the SS are not my cup of tea. Having said all this, I am sure that the SS line has many supporters.
I would still like to see if Fender could come up with a versatile tube amp as a future introduction.


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It's interesting, the Super Sonics have generated more love and hate than any product in recent memory. I personally love the retro blonde! Hate the odd "Supersonic" script on the faceplate, but at least conceptually, applaud the attempt to "modernize" the distortion and give players a wide variety of tones.

In practice, ironically, the blonde piggyback amps you see in the backline with guys like Brian Setzer and John Mellencamp and a ton of other stars look just like the blonde Supersonics, but they ain't. They're the discontinued blonde PTP Tone Masters!

Well heck, at least they're Fenders!


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Colin N. wrote:
Brad; I own a Custom Vibrolux Reverb and absolutely love it's tone. What I was referring to, and obviously missed the mark in conveying my thought, was that I am not a fan of the SS and that I would like to see a tube swapping type of amp from Fender because I believe that Fender could do a much better job of it than other companies out there. My reference to digitizing tones was not meant as a slam to the SS, but to modeling amps in general. When I tried out the SS model I was comparing it to my own Vibrolux and quite frankly it did not meet my expectations. Yes I agree that tone is a very subjective to each ear, however as I was looking at the SS as a way to have a Vibrolux and a Bassman together, I was not satisfied with the result. The Bassman Reissue is on my list as the next amp I want to add to my personal collection of tones so, I will just wait until I can afford one and then run it with an A/B switch with my Vibrolux. I apologize to any fan of the Super Sonic series amps if I have offended you. I have been a Fender user for a long time (30 years+) but I must admit that the SS are not my cup of tea. Having said all this, I am sure that the SS line has many supporters.
I would still like to see if Fender could come up with a versatile tube amp as a future introduction.


There ya go -- note that you said essentially the same thing and yet did so in totally conversational, insightful way that's sure to inspire interesting followup posts. You get a gold star! LOL. :D

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