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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:20 am
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63supro wrote:
I was so close to coming home with a Rebel 20. I played with one for almost 2 hours. What a sweet amp. The tonal possibilities are endless, and it appears to be well made to boot..... the breath of fresh air I've been looking for in amp design in a long time. Plus you can dial it down to a watt on the 20 watt version. Serious versatility....


63, I don't know i missed this.

I own a Rebel, and it is everything you say. I love it... responsive, gutsy, and you can dial it up to sound like a tweed Princeton or a Deluxe Reverb, a baby Marshall or a chimey Vox. A perfect recording tool, I've actually retired my POD Pro... convenience be damned, I'd rather mic the Rebel!

Seriously. Paired with an open-backed 1x12 Mojo cab loaded with an Eminence Red Fang, I don't have more than $850 in this rig, and it's a Godzilla amp.


SlaoChop,
I'll tell you, I've owned more amps than I care to admit over the years and the Rebel was the hardest production amp to leave behind. The Egnater is just pure genius. I'm torn between building a 5e3 clone or getting a Rebel.

How's the Rebel in the reliability department? As you can tell from my past posts, I'm really old school anal about reliability. :D


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I'm the wrong guy to ask about reliability. I've had it since last December, but I don't gig... I run a small studio and only play it here.

I have done several tube swaps experimenting with gain, and the construction seems very solid. But I don't know how it would hold up if you abused it.

Don't be torn, just grab the Egnater. I like a 5E3 a lot... but the Rebel can do that and lot more besides.

I sold my home-built tweed Princeton clone and don't miss it at all.


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Thanks. Wanna buy a recently repaired (again) HRDlx? :D

Just kidding, I wouldn't wish mine on anyone.


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63Supro, dude, I'm not offended by you or anything to do with the DeVille, it was the 'white boy' comment that was made by someone else.

Peace bro.

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CC don't worry about. It's all cool. That's the first time I've ever seen anything like that. It's only my opinion. There was no need to bring race into it. or the soundman comment. It was weird. I just consider the source.


I don't just sit around and troll to say rotten things to people or their equipment. I'm not deliberately trying to offend anyone. I try to help if I can. I disappoints me to see people spend their hard earned or amps that won't hold up.

Fender was the premier amp builder for decades and there's plenty of vintage gear around to prove it. Now there's a guy on another thread here that has a new 57 Champ RI that buzzes at certain frequencies. The guy paid a grand for a brand new amp and it buzzes? This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Who QC'd that amp?

I've been a Fender fan forever, but it's just an amp and not worth that guy saying all that stuff. I'm a geezer but I watch the foul stuff because I know there's a lot of really young bucks on the forum. It's cool because most of us have something in common and we're all young and old with the same interests.


If you noticed, I wasn't even the one who reported the guy, that's how much it bothered me. :D

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CC don't worry about. It's all cool. That's the first time I've ever seen anything like that. It's only my opinion. There was no need to bring race into it. or the soundman comment. It was weird. I just consider the source.


I don't just sit around and troll to say rotten things to people or their equipment. I'm not deliberately trying to offend anyone. I try to help if I can. I disappoints me to see people spend their hard earned or amps that won't hold up.

Fender was the premier amp builder for decades and there's plenty of vintage gear around to prove it. Now there's a guy on another thread here that has a new 57 Champ RI that buzzes at certain frequencies. The guy paid a grand for a brand new amp and it buzzes? This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Who QC'd that amp?

I've been a Fender fan forever, but it's just an amp and not worth that guy saying all that stuff. I'm a geezer but I watch the foul stuff because I know there's a lot of really young bucks on the forum. It's cool because most of us have something in common and we're all young and old with the same interests.


If you noticed, I wasn't even the one who reported the guy, that's how much it bothered me. :D

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Its all cool bro.

Love this forum, dont want idiots like that ruining it. Know what you mean, if things fail thats not good, I guess I'm just lucky with my HRD.

I do think Fender's QC could be better.

Do Gretsch and Gibson get many complaints of their models? What bout Marshall??

Anyone?

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Hay, I love my two hotrods . I have two of them. The old one is five years old.


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I'm new to these boards and I'm going to chime in here.

Last year I picked up a used HRDv 212 for $600 (I'm in Canada). The BEST thing I've read in a review of these amps was actually on Harmony Central. One reviewer said that the Deville is good at one thing - sounding like a Deville. It doesn't do modeling and you can't get every sound in the world out of it. It's an amp you build your sound around.

After I heard mine for the first time, I knew exactly what that reviewer was talking about. For me, I LOVE the sound of my Deville! It is EXACTLY the sound I want from an amp. So for me, it's GREAT. I understand though, how someone playing say - death metal - might not dig the Deville.

Only issue I've had with the amp since buying it was one of the power tubes went so I did a full retube with JJ's. Holy crap, the JJ's just made the amp come alive! I found the Groove Tubes to be very bright, whereas the JJ's darkened up the amp significantly and made the treble knob more usable (I honestly wondered why they bothered with a "bright" switch).


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I love the JJ's in my HRDlx. It warmed up the Tone considerably. You never realize how you can improve the sound of an amp until you get past the "Honeymoon Phase". I usually never read reviews on amps. If I see something new, I just try it out. If I really like it, I come back with a couple of my own guitars.


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63supro wrote:
I love the JJ's in my HRDlx. It warmed up the Tone considerably. You never realize how you can improve the sound of an amp until you get past the "Honeymoon Phase". I usually never read reviews on amps. If I see something new, I just try it out. If I really like it, I come back with a couple of my own guitars.


I hear you. It makes me wonder though why Fender uses GT's when there are other tube options that sound so much better.

I only read reviews to get a general sense of the product. If 9 out of 10 people say they've had to take it back within a month because of some quality issue, that's good to know. As far as tone is concerned, yeah, reviews are useless because that's a completely subjective thing. There's people out there who whine and moan about how horrible Fender OD/Distortion is, but then there's me and others who love that sound. Or, as I mentioned before, that one reviewer who made some great observations about the Deville (you're not going to turn a knob and get a Marshall or a Boogie sound). In fact, most of the negative reviews I read on it were people who'd upgraded from $200 Line 6 or other digital modeling amps and had no idea what they were buying when they picked a tube amp.


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I've been using tube amps since 1964. I think they used GT's because they get a great deal on them and they have name recognition. I tried them years ago and they were pretty bad then.

The drive channel on my HRDlx was useless before I changed out the tubes and rebiased the amp. It was too cold when I bought it but wasn't much better until I got rid of the GT's. It sounds great but I wish it would hold up better.


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Powdered Toast Man wrote:

I hear you. It makes me wonder though why Fender uses GT's when there are other tube options that sound so much better.


Because Aspen Pittman sold Groove Tubes to Fender.

http://www.groovetubes.com/assets/1769_ ... letter.pdf

They still provide OEM tubes to other manufacturers, though. My Rebel came with a set of Egnater-branded GT's, and they sound great. It sounded even better with the NOS tubes I put in the preamp, but the power tubes are still Egnater/GT's.


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okay, this is a bit of-topic perhaps, but anyways: has anyone here any experiece gigging with the Blues DeVille? Haven't had a chance to try it out yet!


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