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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:54 am
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Wow! I have a couple of 410 HRDV's. Didn't know they were so controversial. I like the amps alot but they're not the greatest; that amp hasn't been built yet. Since I'm only a Hobby Hack the amps stay in "The Man Cave" and have a relatively easy existence. Been electric since I was twelve in 72 and have had a bunch of different amps and some I wish I still had especially the Roland JC I had when I was stationed in Germany.

Good string, loaded with opinion. I think the teller of the tape is how well an amp will re-sale. HRDV's don't seem to be doing all that great, even though new HRDV's are buck's up.


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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:42 am
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The HRD is almost a grand now unless you see them on sale. Big bucks. Really cheap on the used market. Just like my HRDlx. Neither really held its value very well. I may be building a 5e3 clone real soon and modify it to taste and put a nice real efficient speaker in it. It's a great old Tweed circuit. Could be loud enough to gig with or I'll just mic it.


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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:08 am
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actually i was about to buy a deville 212 when i heard about egnater amps. you guys oughta check em out. i did a little research cuz the companys only got like 3 amps out, one being a micro. and ones out in august.

they give you the option to blend 6v6 and el34 tubes and has a built in attenuator from 10w to 100w. all tube, no digital stuff. extremely cheap. the Renegade 212 combo is only $300 more than the devilles. comes stock with one vintage 30 and one elite 80 made by celestion.

definately reply to this comment, i wanna know what you guys think!! thx.


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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:07 am
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I was so close to coming home with a Rebel 20. I played with one for almost 2 hours. What a sweet amp. The tonal possibilities are endless, and it appears to be well made to boot. I have this guilty conscience thing about selling my dog of a HRDlx to an unsuspecting person. I don't want to sell or trade my grief with this thing. I know it's stupid. The Egnators are the breath of fresh air I've been looking for in amp design in a long time. Plus you can dial it down to a watt on the 20 watt version. Serious versatility. I'd take one over a DeVille just for the tube blending mode of the Egnater..


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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:33 am
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My hearing is fine and I love the DeVille...............its not an amp think, its a desired tone thing. I sold my Twin years ago to get a DeVille cos it suited me more..........a lot more. 63supro is notorious on this site for his hate of HRD amps. Its a PERSONAL TASTE thing.......not a competition.


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I hate the HRDlx for good reasons. I never said it sounded awful. With tube changes and a new speaker it's fine. It's a reliability and quality issue. When you plunk down your hard earned cash for something that you make even a partial living with, and it can't perform more than a couple months at a time, your pissed period. I don't care if it's a Fender, Marshall, Ampeg. Competition has nothing to do with it. In my 40+ years of playing and recording, I've never had an amp as unreliable as my HRDlx. Nothing wrong with PERSONAL TASTE, but don't get your panties in a bunch if I don't like something that you do.





I agree dude, you just dont need to tell us 500 times.....


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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:41 am
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Makes no difference. The Deville is basically the same amp with 20 more watts.


This statement tells me you have no experience with these amps.
I have had a HRDX and now own a Blues Deluxe and my best friend had a deville.Between the Deluxe and deville , the the main difference is cabinet size , speaker configuration and wattage.The circuitry is exactly the same .Check it out for yourself .There are minor differences between the hr and the blues deluxe.


The difference is in the sound. You get a fat wall of sound out of the 410 that you don't even get from the 212 much less the deluxe. I've played 5000 seat halls with two daisy-chained 410s and didn't even have to mic them. The deluxe couldn't handle that load. It's better with the additional cab but still not good enough for real shows.


Wow, no mic and 5,000 seats? Do you need a PA system for your vocals or can a crowd hear them too. Must be a pretty quiet crowd. Neil Young uses a 12 watt Tweed Deluxe for stadiums but he has to mic it.

With all due respect and I usually don't agree much with 63 Supro, but I think the only load in this post is what you're shoveling.

I find it hard to believe that for a 5,000 seat show, you don't have a professional sound man doing your bands mix. If you did, you could do the show with a Princeton Reverb on a chair.

The DeVille and Deluxe are in fact identical circuit wise. I also have a HRDlx, and mine has not been very reliable either. Not quite to the point as 63 Supro but it's been in the shop for some of the same problems. I like the statement you made about the solid state rectifier. Tons of amps have them. It's nothing special and just a matter of taste. I prefer the sag and compression of a tube rectifier. Even a couple of the Bogners use them. Usually Blues players like them, but I guess you already know that.

I sure Reinhold Boger would get a bigger kick out of your posts than I am. I too wonder if I'm authorized to buy an amp from his custom shop. This whole thread is pure bull.


When you've played professionally for 5 minutes much less over 40 years then maybe you can talk. Until then you're just another white boy that doesn't know $@!& from shinola. Create your own music and you and your professional sound guy can take turns jerking each other off.





Why get racist? Do you think if I called you a 'black boy' that it would be legal or acceptable?
You should be kicked off the site you racist $@!&#.

Most people here are at least semi-pro so get off your high horse.


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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:48 am
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We should be talking bout Fender here.......resorting to racism is pathetic and childish and this guy should be banned.

It should be intelligent, opinionated discussion. Not racism.


I personally am offended, I do love the DeVille..........but I hate racism, which would you guys rather discuss?

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I think there's a huge difference between the Hot Rod Devilles and the original mid 90's Blues DeVilles. I hate the sound of the Hot Rod series (different tubes and pre design -- a cheap "modern") sound to my ears), BUT I totally love the mid-90's Blues DeVilles. Given this, I don't understand why Fender has now re-issued the Blues DeVille 4x10's but not the 2x12's. Many of us think the Blues DeVille 2x12's of the mid 90's are incredible! Notice how many of the Hot Rod DeVilles are for sale on Ebay and how cheaply they go. Then compare this to what the mid-90's Blues DeVilles go for.


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Celtic Cyclonus wrote:
We should be talking bout Fender here.......resorting to racism is pathetic and childish and this guy should be banned.

It should be intelligent, opinionated discussion. Not racism.


I personally am offended, I do love the DeVille..........but I hate racism, which would you guys rather discuss?

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CC Sorry your offended. I don't get it, it's only a piece of equipment. It's a tool not a family.
I've only mentioned it 497 times. :D Hey when I'm pissed and disappointed in something, I start building a soapbox. Sorry, just ignore it or change the channel. It happens when I have something I want to rely on.

About the Egnater, someone asked about it what's the big deal? I tried it and I think it's a great amp. Nobody complains when I say how the the Deluxe Reverb, or the Twin or the Supersonic is. Oh the 5e3 I mentioned is a 57 Fender Tweed Deluxe circuit.

This whole thread is getting really ridiculous. You shouldn't get all offended if someone doesn't like a piece of your equipment. Look I play a 72 Strat. A lot of folks say all 70's Strats were garbage. Do I get offended? Npoe, I just grin as I'm playing my 72. It's all just opinion and you get what you pay for.


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not at all offended... just stating my two cents... i've played blues deville 2x12's for 15 years (major label band, blah blah blah) and i totally love them... still think the hot rods suck, and just figured that especially for newbies it might be useful to know that some don't love them

peace out and changing the channel...


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analogjeff wrote:
not at all offended... just stating my two cents... i've played blues deville 2x12's for 15 years (major label band, blah blah blah) and i totally love them... still think the hot rods suck, and just figured that especially for newbies it might be useful to know that some don't love them

peace out and changing the channel...
I agree ,I osed to have a HRDX and i liked the clean ok, but the drive channels were hard on my ears.Now the Blues Deluxe i like both,but i have to admit they do have reliability issues by more than a few people.I dont gig alot so to me it might not be a problem,but i would never gig with it withoutsome sort of back up.Also since i purchased a 59 bassman reissue, i have seen the difference in how they are made and it is a huge difference.Does it mean i will get rid of my BDX?Probably not, but I am not gonna gig it without a backup of some sort.


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analogjeff wrote:
've played blues deville 2x12's for 15 years (major label band, blah blah blah)...


Really? Which one? Do tell. :)


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Remember...... we're talking about amps here, not about religion or politics. Everyone is entitled to their opinions here and not be subject to
being called a **** :oops: **** or worse !!!


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63supro wrote:
I was so close to coming home with a Rebel 20. I played with one for almost 2 hours. What a sweet amp. The tonal possibilities are endless, and it appears to be well made to boot..... the breath of fresh air I've been looking for in amp design in a long time. Plus you can dial it down to a watt on the 20 watt version. Serious versatility....


63, I don't know i missed this.

I own a Rebel, and it is everything you say. I love it... responsive, gutsy, and you can dial it up to sound like a tweed Princeton or a Deluxe Reverb, a baby Marshall or a chimey Vox. A perfect recording tool, I've actually retired my POD Pro... convenience be damned, I'd rather mic the Rebel!

Seriously. Paired with an open-backed 1x12 Mojo cab loaded with an Eminence Red Fang, I don't have more than $850 in this rig, and it's a Godzilla amp.


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Ya know, I just returned from a trip to Ripley in England and on some of the Loo walls was written: "DeVille Is God" :lol:


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