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Post subject: help!help! how bypass fender cyber twin
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:02 am
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hi all, i am from greece and my english are not very well...

My problem is how to connect my boss gt-10 to cyber twin 2x65 amp using only th speakers from the amp and the original sound of my boss gt-10.
the only thing i can disable from the amp is the effects turning them to none(thanks johny). All the other features like what type of preamp you use etc(amp menu) cannot be disabled and filtering my pedal sound.
Help pls to avoid the colouring from the amp parameteres to my sound.


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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:25 pm
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Ok, no preamp, just amp.

In the back of the Cyber Twin, there is an "EFFECTS LOOP" jack section. From the Fender Cyber Twin manual:

Connections for external effects devices. Connect MONO SEND to the
input of your effects device and the output of the effects device to the
MONO RETURN jack or both RETURN jacks, according to your effects
device. Use the LEVEL button to optimize the loop for your effects device
(usually –10dBv for footpedals and +4dBu for rack mounted effects).

In your case, plug your guitar into your preamp/pedal, take its output and plug it into the Cyber Twin's Effects Loop RETURN jack. Now everything is bypassed.

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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:09 pm
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Johnny, does that bypass the Tonestack/PreAmp section too?

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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:00 am
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Usually just time based effects are run in the effects loop. Echo, Chorus, Flangers, Phase Shifters. Distortion, Wah etc usually go direct. I'm not too sure how you would handle processors though unless the signal processor has different output jacks. That's why I just use pedals.

You can't loose just going to the input and skipping the loop. I've never used a loop in over 40 years. Way back I never had an amp with one anyway.


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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:22 pm
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The idea here is not to connect the guitar to the Cyber Twin, but to run a jack to the effects box then back into the amp. In this case, the basic tone controls work on the guitar signal before it goes to the effects box.

I am recommending connecting the guitar to the effects box and then to the return on the Cyber Twin. All tone now comes from the effects box and then into the Cyber Twin. No more tones from the Cyber Twin.

It's difficult to imagine that's how a Cyber Twin might be used! But I suppose it can.

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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:54 pm
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You should consider and TRY going into the front of the cybertwin. I'm doing this with a Pod XT Live at the moment, but that unit itself is configurable and outputs for different routing setups. The cybertwin surely can seem like an odd amp to choose in these instances, but I'm coming to realize it's not odd at all. That's why I suggest going into the front of the cybertwin- to take advantage of how awesome the CT assembles amps and tone stacks. All those settings in amp edit go a LONG way to sculpting tone. No foot rig is going to come close to the quality of how you can build an incredible sounding AMP in the CT- amp sims and cab sims be damned.

Dial in A5 for instance- a Bassman amp- with a blackface and noodle through all the amp edit settings to build your amp. Make sure there's no effects, except maybe a smidge of verb which can blend nice even if you have a verb on the GT-10. Then turn down the gain some to take out the crunch. Adjust the amps eq. You may think this is castrating the amp, but it is not, by any means. The cybertwin assembles an amazing AMP. THAT is it's strength, imo, and you WANT the CT's influence for this part of the chain. Effects are a different story. They're a dime a dozen, just like us guitar players. LOL! Although I like many of the effects in the CT, I don't have a total loyalty to them. These floor boards pack beautiful time based effects and also can pump out some pretty mighty distortion, overdrive, crunch, and high gain. And the interesting thing is, the CT seems to react well to the influence of it. I've setup a high gain patchs and distortion patches soely in the CT that almost made the amp lift off- almost too much for it to take really, running right on the edge. But that's what you need on stage sometimes. But with the floor board providing that same thing, the CT just seems to eat it up and sing. Very stable and solid. And you'll notice your wah effects react better through the front of the amp too.

It comes down to a beautifully crafted, custom built amp in the CT, and a floor board of your choosing right into the front jack, in this scenario. Not as crazy as I thought at first. What's crazy to me, is looking to go around the cybertiwn altogether, using only the darn speakers at that point. THAT is immensly wasteful, if you ask me. If you're gonna go fully with what the GT-10 gives, get another amp. If the cybertwin is all you have to work with, USE IT, don't lose it!

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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:06 am
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Shockwave, I completely agree with you!

The answer I provided above was an answer to the original question, but even though I provide that answer, I don't recommend it. Shockwave is completely right and that is the way the Cyber Twin should be used.

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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:34 am
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I didn't mean you're wrong Johnny! Both ways- the fx loop or right into the front- are a consideration. Having done this recently, [like now!] I'm just suggesting to try the front too because the power of the cybertwin is absolutely worth taking advantage of, even with a floor board.

In reading up about these things before purchasing, I noticed a lot of negative banter about the amp coloring the sound of the floor board. This is especially true of the pod xtl. Frankly, I don't get it. I almost knew going in that I wanted the cybertwin's influence, rather than zero it out to stay out of the way of a pod- perish the thought. The pod looks to have most of the amps the CT has, and a good deal more. And with that comes cab sims of every variety, and 'A.I.R.' which is microphone placement algorythums. It all makes for some snazzy selling points, that's for sure. But let me tell you, you HAVE to be a CT owner to really understand why the amp is not a modeler or simulator. It becomes blatantly obvious when comparing the two. The CT handily squashes all the sims in the pod. I mean, it's not even close. I guess all the folks looking for neutral amps just haven't used a CT! The sims in the pod may be useful through a PA, or maybe for recording. But for me, the only time I'll give them a shot is through the PA, when I don't have room for the CT on stage. About the only thing you want to do with a cybertwin/floor board combo is dial back the crunch in the CT. But other than that, by golly- keep the amps in line! That's an influence you want, in my opinion.

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