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Fender Cyber-Twin; Effects box? Or a legit amplifier?
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:22 am
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Since you are asking this question, I think it is apparent you either have not seriously engaged a CT for an extended period of time, that your mind is already made up that this is merely a box of tricks, or you just don't like the CT for whatever reason. For instance, I just do not like the sound of LIne 6 or contemporary Marshall amps.
If you haven't already done so, read through the Cyber-Twin user's club thread. There are many musicians using this amp for performing and recording. I still have the original version 1.3 I bought Sept. 2001. I have not sold and would not part with my old Bassman, Princeton Reverb, VibroVerb, or VOX AC30, but the CT has been my go-to amp for 8 years. The more I play it, the more I discover its capabilities and the more I love it. Does it respond and play exactly like the tube amps it emulates? No. But the tone, character, complexity, musicality, and response is really, really close. The reverbs, delays, vibratos, echos, and tremolos are absolutely impeccable. In my opinon is a formidible musical instrument.


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I think garryrenfro is right, I don't believe you have ever used a CT or SE.

I won't answer your question, but I'll let you know what I think of it: I find it rhetorical and prejudicial. Why bother asking (assuming you haven't already made up your mind)?

If you take the time to properly audition a CT or SE, I would be interested in your findings. Until then, keep plucking those strings, or chickens, whichever give you that "real-amp" sound and

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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:31 pm
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i guess i agree with everyone that its all a matter of trying it out. im a novice when it comes to fx and was always used to playing a regular acoustic guitar. ive only played on two amps, a have a small 15 watt trace elliot, and my ct...
no comparison of course, and just when i grow tired of the ct, i open the manual, or figure something new about it and fall in love with it all over again. its just bad $@!


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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:06 am
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No I have played one. I think they're great. I was just wondering the opinions of other guitarists.


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Look for the cybertwin club thread. Lots of good reading in there. Personally I feel if you're talking software amp sims or pods, you're talking fx box. The cybertwin is a real amp...and then some.

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Stomp box....please...this $@!&* is the future!

But if you want something negative.......6 is too loud...blame it on the Celestions.

Really, this amp is so special....I think it goes to 11.....which is one more than 10!

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The CT while being a great instrument i found to be the same as any amp in being i still had to tweak it from room to room even though i may have tweaked the presets at home or a rehearsal. That said i felt i may as well go back to all tubes to get that response i found i was missing. Tubes just add a warmth to my sound that i cant live without. The sound techs would tell me to make the sound of the CT more beefier at sound check because the said it sounded thin and tinny. Anyways i switched over to the Supersonic end of story i`ll never part with all tubes again


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The CT can be a bit of a challenge on gigs, true. The size of the rooms will always vary, which presents a challenge. With a regular amp, you set it up to sound good for the room and your done. You throw your array of effects pedels in line when you need them and away you go. Less tweaking. But with the CT, you can have tons of presets that are specifically tone shaped to sound great wherever you originally set them up, but that doesn't always mean they're gonna sound their best from room to room. And therein lies the challenge. No one is usually in a position to tweak a lot settings on a gig, especially when you're talking a lot of presets.

You can mic the amp, which will make things a bit more consistant. It will also make the overall sound of the amp easier to shape for the room. You adjust the PA channel[s] the amp is in accordingly, and that can help. But if you're like me, mic'ing the amp is something that is done only 10% of gigs. Mostly, it's stage volume. I'm considering incorporating an expression pedal and assigning a specific parameter to it, to help the situation. I haven't come up with the best, most universal parameter yet though- in my mind at least. Should it be the gain? A tone control? The master volume? It's a tough call.

I get by on the four quick recall banks that the footswitch is hooked up to. I have a clean preset with a little delay, a slow rotar which is clean but more sweet and soupy, a chorus, and distortion. For my clubdates, this is almost always enough diversity. For a good part of the gig, I'm on my clean preset with some delay. It is this patch that I adjust to the room. I sometimes save it, sometimes don't. If I'm on an all jazz gig, I don't bother saving it. I adjust it and leave it for the gig. It will revert back on the next power up, or if I switch presets- which can be a pain too. But I generally try to avoid saving changes from gig to gig, if I can help it. I generally like how my presets sound now- stock on power up.

The CT dictates that on gigs, it will need some attention and thought. The best thing I can suggest is that you setup presets at stage volume, initially- even if you're at home. This at least gets you in the ballpark of what you'll expect to hear on stage. Then it's little tweaks per gig. I think what the amp offers far outweighs the tweak factor, imo. You get into a comfortable approach to using it on stage and it becomes second nature. And in the studio, well, it is just awesome. In a controlled setting like that, with the ability to save, name and recall total sound packages, it's indespensible.

And I must say, I recently picked up a variax 600 and all those great and diverse sounds, coupled with the CT, is quite amazing!

Dan


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