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Post subject: (16 ohm) extra cabinet for Super Sonic Combo (safe?)
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:01 pm
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Hi!

I've been using a new Super Sonic amp for a while now. I have the combo version with the 12" speaker. I'm thinking of adding some extra punch to it by increasing the speaker amount. I'm just having some doubts of a suitable one. I want the combo speaker to be connected with the extra cabinet too.

Is it safe to use a 16ohm cabinet (4x12") with the combo?

Super Sonic manual only speaks of adding an 8ohm extension speaker to the combo version -> amp automatically turns itself to 4 ohm.

The combo speaker is 8 ohms and if I add 16 ohm cabinet, the ohms go something like 5,33. Is there a risk that the amp will not tolerate this?

I've seen some safe fail missmatch diagrams where this seems to be safe, and have read someone using a 16 ohm speaker with this combo, but I really want to be sure. If someone from fender would give an opinion on this I would be very grateful.


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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:41 am
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anyone?


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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:20 pm
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The safest is always to match the cabinet to your amp; therefore 8ohms cabinet to a 8ohms amp.


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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:28 am
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I agree with Tweeddogsteve, use the same ohms if use a mix match ohms it makes the amp work harder and can ultimately damage the amp.

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:22 pm
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hi guys could nemoun unplug the internal spk and run two 16ohm cabs to create a 8ohm load? anyone with feedback on this please reply.


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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 4:06 am
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burnmills wrote:
hi guys could nemoun unplug the internal spk and run two 16ohm cabs to create a 8ohm load? anyone with feedback on this please reply.


1 output connected -> amp plays 8ohm out
2 outputs connected -> amp plays 4ohm out

So the problem is not there, because amp changes it's output (from 8 to 4 ohms) depending if both outputs are used.

The question is: Is it safe to use the amp with 5,33 ohm load while being in 4 ohm output?


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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:08 pm
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With a nice amp like the Super sonic, I wouldn't do it. What hurts a tube amp is the load being bigger than the tap, which is what you would be doing with the addition of a 16 ohm cab. It might not sound as good as a 8 ohm cab either.


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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:10 pm
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I wouldn`t either i`ve played pretty big halls and even out side stages with my supersonic and had plenty of stage volume with good stage coverage. I played the celebrity room @ the MGM grand in CT unmiked a few weeks ago and had to turn down to match the rest of the band, and i play without an extension cabinet.


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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:46 pm
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I believe Greg Koch has used the Super Sonic combo with the 212 Super Sonic cabinet. Take a look under the SS combo on the web site, and then artists, I've also heard him on a video say that he likes that set up, 3x12, 8 ohms all around


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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:11 am
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Yes, he uses the Super Sonic 2x12" cabinet. I guess that could be one option, but I think 4x12" would serve me better in days to come.

4x12" cabinets are not that much more expensive, but it seems 8 ohms are harder to find. I've been thinking of ORANGE PPC412HP-8 or RIVERA 412 cabinets which are both 8 ohm cabs, and would probably work nice with a more hi gainish amplifier too, if i'm up for something like that in future.


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Post subject: How about just a 16ohm cab not using the combo speaker
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:09 am
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I had a head cabinet made for the SS to accomodate the reverb tank and I have a mono /stereo 2x12 cab that I can run 4 or 16 ohm mono or two in put stereo at 8 ohms. Should I use 2 cables and run Stereo or just use 16ohm or 4 ohms mono. 16 ohm mono sounds great by the way.


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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:25 am
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Question - why are you looking for a 4x12 cabinet to begin with?

Super Sonic is a great amp and plenty loud with the 12" speaker; a 4x12 extension, even if you could find one in 8 ohm, is overkill in my opinion for any live show smaller than a 40 foot stage. This combination would elicit groans from every small bar, pub and club if you lugged it in. Of course, you could leave the 4x12 at home for those shows, but if that's all your playing (and that's what I'm playing, so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that) it won't get much use.

If this is for recording in a sound-proof recording studio, then by all means.

Otherwise, I'd get the best mic(s) you can afford, get a road case to get your amp up in the air by your ears instead of your ankles, and you should be set. a 2x12 8 ohm cab could be good as posted above - that way you'd also be mixing and matching open back combo cab and a closed back 2x12 or just a 1x12.

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""The combo speaker is 8 ohms and if I add 16 ohm cabinet, the ohms go something like 5,33. Is there a risk that the amp will not tolerate this? ""

you would be ok, just DO NOT go UNDER 4OHM !!!!!!!!!!

as for reasoning of doing this, like stated above, not sure. but who cares but the one doing it for whatever reason

at one time i did this because i was playing metal and didn't have a bass player, and wanted to turn my bass knob all the way. i thought it sounded good. well,,,, the internal speakers of my combo (2-12") would just mud out, (duh..) SO, i plugged in a 4-12 cab to soak up the bottom. i quickly realized that i needed to unplug the internal 2-12"s and just go with the 4-12 cab by itself.
anyways-

now i play folk, blues, progressive jazz and classic rock is the most gain i ever go to
so, any good tube amp will do

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twirlyboggs wrote:
as for reasoning of doing this, like stated above, not sure. but who cares but the one doing it for whatever reason


i really don't care either, but don't know what level the OP is at or how much if at all he plays live. My point was that if this is for live, there are far and few instances today where a beginning bar/club player needs a 4x12 stack given modern PA gear and that the Super Sonic combo on its own is hella loud (and good).

In the end, the advice you get on these forums is worth what you pay for it, so no worries.

Funny about the bass - I've had to use my 2x12 Bandmaster as a bass amp in a pinch; with the Weber ceramic Californias, it doesn't turn to mush until the amp is around 7, at which point it's way too loud...

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yeah, a 1-12 is all i really need - just make it a tube amp

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