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Post subject: Fizzy lifter or beam breaker ???? treble ice pick sollutions
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:08 pm
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anyone try them ???

Whats the deal, do they work ?

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:41 am
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They are a device that fits in front of your speakers to diffuse the treble ice pick affect without supposedly having any affect on your tone.

SRV and other players over the years used to put tape on their grill cloth just in front of the center of their speakers to keep from blasting themselves with ice pick of treble.

I have a Super-Sonic with a vintage 30 in it and they are well know to have the ice pick of death, and so I am waiting to see if my good friends here have found any sollutions.

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:23 am
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Never tried either one but seems you could built your own fizzy lifter quite easily.

Also, have you heard of flapjacks? Goes on the grill cloth, could be another build your own pretty much.

I assume you've tried EQ or rolling back the tone knob?


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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:19 pm
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There have been tons of home remedies for this problem, I think many of them affect the tone where as the fizzies do not alter the tone at all.

yes I cranked the bass and lowered the treble ect.......

This is the trade off for having touch sensitivity and explosive sound from a sparkling Amp, you know Fender bright and bouncy tone.

Well I ordered the fizzy lifter to keep from having to mount the beam blocker between the speaker and the baffle, I'll give a full report.

Ahhhhh.... the eternal search for TONE !!!!! and the price we pay for it !!!!!

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I know what you mean, I play through a 5F1, simple circuit, pure clean. I dont turn it up all the way at home, just play around 6 and control with guitar pot and a TS. I roll the tone knob a little bit too but I imagine I may get that ice pick if I pushed it. I hooked it up to a 4x12 Marshall cab and now I get heart thumping bass that vibrate the windows instead :)

Let us know how the fizzies work. Picture of them installed would be cool too.


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I'll give a complete revue as soon as I get them.

I found a Bogen pa speaker cab at a sale yesterday with 6x6" alnico speakers that were 8 ohms with a nice 1/4 jack in the back and plugged them in to the Super-Sonic.

The sound was very good from the old 1970's pa set up.

I find the funnest stuff at auctions.

Bidding on an old Hammond organ today, the speakers alone are worth double what I bid so -far.

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You mean local auctions or online, like eBay?


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Local auctions, yard sales you name it I'm there and online too.


Heres my report on the fizzy lifter.

It did absolutely nothing no notta thing !!!! no change in the ice pick affect.

I'm getting used to the clarity of the celestion vintage 30's everything else sounds muddy to me after playing through them for a while.

You still get tube amp warmth, just clarity even under heavy overdrive.

????? maybe I was using the muddy sound to cover sloppy playing ???
The Vintage 30's have zero room for poor fret work.

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:43 am
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Update the guy selling the fizzy lifters offered me a refund.

He says I'm the only one who ever complained (kinda doubt it)

I left it on the grill as perscribed to check it out at different angles and such, and it did nothing to fix the high stab in the ears.

three days later the thing fell off the grill and is on its way to the trash.

a total waste of $$$$

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One thing you can do is a make a circle of duct tape a shade smaller in diameter than the speaker baffle. Stick it right on the grille cloth overtop of the speaker, and put your mic just outside the tape circle. It works, and it costs $.40.


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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:14 am
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I will no doubt try something in the future, for now I'm looking for an extension cab and will do some fancy set up to bounce the sound a bit and just avoid the shock wave of treble.


The amp sounds amazing other than that !!!

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Post subject: Re: Fizzy lifter or beam breaker ???? treble ice pick sollut
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:01 am
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Hello fellow guitar players and sound enthusiasts I am logging in to tell you that I have solved the problem of diffusing the sound from your guitar amp's speaker.

The US Patent office even thinks my invention was worth a patent. Perhaps you missed it at the NAMM show last January, it's called "Turbo Tone" check out the web site and shoot me an email if you are interested.

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Post subject: Re: Fizzy lifter or beam breaker ???? treble ice pick sollut
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:45 am
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Is the speaker broken in? I had a 60W SS w/V30 and it did not have "the icepick of death", but I also broke my speaker in.

The Beam Blockers work as advertised, I've used them before. (Before I knew about breaking in speakers).


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Post subject: Re: Fizzy lifter or beam breaker ???? treble ice pick sollut
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:03 am
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Is the speaker broken in? I had a 60W SS w/V30 and it did not have "the icepick of death", but I also broke my speaker in.


+1

I've got a pair of 1980's-era V30's (made in England) in a Dual Showman cab and there is no ice-pickiness at all -- just smooth, punchy, Marshallesque vibe.

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