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Post subject: Blues Jr. Vs. Deluxe Please Help
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:06 am
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I'm interested in a new amp, I've been back and forth over a Blues Jr, or a Deluxe. all the places I play we use mics, size is important, Right now I'm leaning toward the JR. But is there any more indepth reasons why? Please give input


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Both would be great amplifiers. If I was in your shoes I'd probably go for the Jr. for a couple of reasons. First, it's much easier to lug around than a Deluxe. Second, despite its smaller size it is loud enough to play any gig so long as you mic it. Third, it sounds really good -- not that the deluxe doesn't though...

Either way, you'll be getting a good amp.


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Hello Zacharytolson,

As long as your prepared to mic it
go for the Blues Jr. A great little amp.
Of course more power is fun. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Blues Jr. Vs. Deluxe Please Help
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:15 pm
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zacharytolson wrote:
I'm interested in a new amp, I've been back and forth over a Blues Jr, or a Deluxe. all the places I play we use mics, size is important, Right now I'm leaning toward the JR. But is there any more indepth reasons why? Please give input
+2 on the Blues jr. I have one and its a great little amp. Its better to have an amp thats slightly smaller than you need than one that is too big. If they mic everything then its a no brainer.You can get some great sounds out of a Blues jr.


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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:17 am
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It's hard to describe the difference between the HRD and the BJ because when you're playing either one clean, you're thinking "yeah, that sounds good." The HRD will be much beefier on the clean channel and will give you way more clean volume.

But to my ears, the Blues junior when using the gain/master volume setup to achieve a distorted tone sounds much better than the distortion channel on the HRD.

The HRD is more versatile with a switchable clean/dirty channel setup, but the two channels sound very different to me, whereas the Blues Junior is basically set it and just use you guitar volume to cut back on the amount of distortion. Of course you can use the footswitch on the "fat" circuit, but I usually just leave that on all the time.

The BJ will react better to being overdriven by pedals as well since there's only one channel. On the HRD, the clean channel is really, really clean, and engaging a booster pedal will make your volume jump, where using a booster pedal on the dirty channel will cause it to distort more, but not increase the volume as much.

On the BJ, if you're playing with any amount of preamp distortion, using a booster pedal seems to work very well and you can tailor the amount of amp distortion to limit the jump in volume when engaging the pedals.

Just my $02.

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I also assumed you were referring to the Hot Rod Deluxe as opposed to the reissue deluxe which is twice as expensive. The reissue deluxe is closer to the Blues Jr. in terms of power, but has no master volume, so you'll need to crank it louder to get any kind of amp distortion.


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AnthonyStauffer wrote:
It's hard to describe the difference between the HRD and the BJ because when you're playing either one clean, you're thinking "yeah, that sounds good." The HRD will be much beefier on the clean channel and will give you way more clean volume.

But to my ears, the Blues junior when using the gain/master volume setup to achieve a distorted tone sounds much better than the distortion channel on the HRD.

The HRD is more versatile with a switchable clean/dirty channel setup, but the two channels sound very different to me, whereas the Blues Junior is basically set it and just use you guitar volume to cut back on the amount of distortion. Of course you can use the footswitch on the "fat" circuit, but I usually just leave that on all the time.

The BJ will react better to being overdriven by pedals as well since there's only one channel. On the HRD, the clean channel is really, really clean, and engaging a booster pedal will make your volume jump, where using a booster pedal on the dirty channel will cause it to distort more, but not increase the volume as much.

On the BJ, if you're playing with any amount of preamp distortion, using a booster pedal seems to work very well and you can tailor the amount of amp distortion to limit the jump in volume when engaging the pedals.

Just my $02.


A very good comparison between the two amps! That should help the OP. :wink:


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I had a Blues Jr. and thought it sounded tiny (not full) . I sold it on e-bay and ended up getting a HRDx and love it. The only beef is the volume is linear not audio taper so it is loud even at 1. You can change the tubes in it also to tailor your sound. My vote would be for the HRDx if I was limited between the two choices.


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Were you looking at a HRdlx or Blues Deluxe, they are slightly different amps.

(All three, the Blues Junior, Blues Deluxe, HotRod Deluxe are members of the same Hot-Rod family of amps that also includes the Blues Deville and HotRod Deville)

The Blues Deluxe / HRdlx are 40watt amps compared to the Blues Junior at 15watts,
that only gets you maybe a 3db boost in max volume.
(Remember output power is logarithmic.
To double the max volume produced by a Blues Junior you need an increase of 10db or about a 150watt amp)

here is a quickie on amp output power
http://hometheater.about.com/cs/audioco ... ermada.htm

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hot rods in fact most fender amps have an input attenuator in input 2, the hot rods is 6dB, really makes the volume controls less stupid for home playing.

the 10 dB rule for doubling the sound is really for anechoic chamber or outdoors with the speaker high up in the air,

its actually 9 dB, 3 dB is twice the sound pressure level

so
3 dB or twice the power up and down
3 dB or twice the power side to side
3 dB or twice the power front to back

dBs add, so 3dB + 3dB + 3dB is 9 dB


inside the walls, floor, ceiling confine the sound, so its going to take less power to sound louder


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yes and???
Doubling the volume either needing 9db or 10db, is still about 3x the 3db with each step needing double the power.

Going from a 15 watt amp to a 40 watt amp is not a significant increase in output levels.
You can get almost as much by switching the speaker to a more efficient one.
Replacing the stock Eminence Legend 125 in the BJ with an Eminence RedFang or Wizard will get you almost a 3db boost.

austinrocks wrote:
its actually 9 dB, 3 dB is twice the power

so
3 dB or twice the power up and down
3 dB or twice the power side to side
3 dB or twice the power front to back

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peterp, the speaker is a major contributer, they vary in their efficeny by a great deal, a 3dB difference is like going from a 50 watt amp to a 100 watt amp, greenbacks or V30 are pretty much this different.

also a 15 watt is probably anything but 15 watts, 18 20 or whatever the amp is cabable of producing, same with all amps, the number is just a power level the manufacture has to meet at a particular distortion level in a known load, the actual powers are usually higher, and the tube amps are capable of much higher powers, an overdriven 15 watt could produce 30 watts peak power, a master volume controlled 40 watt amp maybe producing much less power, rarely does the master volume go to 12 on the hot rods.


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