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Post subject: recording on pc with Cyber Twin
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:32 am
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does anyone know how to record on pc? i know theres interfaces like maudio, lexicon alpha, omega, but im wondering about
http://www.guitarcenter.com/E-MU-Xmidi- ... 1172157.gc

its an interface that uses the midi output from behind the cybertwin. all im trying to do is record exactly what is coming from my amp, but dont know much about all the technical side of recording, and dont have a whole lot of loot. any suggestions?


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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:57 pm
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That's not the cable you need for recording audio. That's just a midi cable, which would help you hook the amp up to cyber commander software, but not audio.

For recording the amp, you have two choices going from the amp- XLR and SPDIF. Read up in the manual about those outputs and how you can utilze them.

Then to receive the signal for recording, you'd need something like this-

http://www.samash.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... rySA182541

I have no experience with that product, nor am I recommending it. I just had a quick look. It has two XLR connections, which is good. But it doesn't have SPDIF, so you couldn't use that from the amp. An audio interface with a good selection of inputs and outputs is recommended and cheap often isn't part of the equasion. In fact, not much about recording has cheap in the equasion! Get comfy with that fact!

Next you need multi track software, and as luck would have it there is something that is cheap and of high quality-

http://reaper.fm/index.php

So, you go out from the amp either by XLR or SPDIF into the audio interface, into the multitrack software which records it. That's the basics. If you're serious, you'll need to investigate a bunch to get it all going.

You could also take an easier route and leave the computer out of it with something like this-

http://www.samash.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... rySA182992

There's lots of options. Read and read more. Good luck.

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thanks for the info, gave me alot to think about


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Post subject: Re: recording on pc with Cyber Twin
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:58 am
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dh2715 wrote:
does anyone know how to record on pc? i know theres interfaces like maudio, lexicon alpha, omega, but im wondering about
http://www.guitarcenter.com/E-MU-Xmidi- ... 1172157.gc

its an interface that uses the midi output from behind the cybertwin. all im trying to do is record exactly what is coming from my amp, but dont know much about all the technical side of recording, and dont have a whole lot of loot. any suggestions?


I have recorded some of my music from my CT SE.
First - the above info is good info.

I record from the XLR outs. I tried (for a short time) recording from the CT SE into a multi- track software program through a usb interface. This didn't work so well for me.
Latency problems made it VERY difficult to sync tracks. But, if the latency problems weren't bad enough, the real killer was the recorded sound was not the high quality that the CT SE produces.

The setup that has worked for me is a two step process. I first record into a Fostex MR-8 digital multi-track recorder.
Similar to the one in the following link , except mine is the old model that was 'red';
http://www.samash.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_MR8%20MKII%208%20Track%20Digital%20Multitrack%20Recorder%20Black_-1_10052_10002_-49990838

Then I transfer the tracks to the multi-track software on the computer for combining the tracks and then mixdown to a stereo wav, and a stereo MP3 for publication to my soundclick sites.

Of all the methods I have tried, the above worked the best for me.

However, a friend of mine said that he liked using the SPDIF straight into his computer and recording on multi-track software. He has a special sound card that has a SPIDIF connection.

Bottom line - As was said above, study everything you can find on the subject. Then you get to pick what you think will work the best for you. But you will not know for sure what your "best" setup is until you try a few.
For me, a low cost was VERY important. :D


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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:47 pm
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Unless you're full-on serious about getting into recording, one of the easiest approaches is an external multi tracker. It's usually much cheaper than computer setups, and avoids all the know-how needed for computer recording and latency issues. I do a LOT of recording with the bigger gear, but I still own one of these and LOVE it-

http://cgi.ebay.com/Korg-D1600-Digital- ... 7C294%3A50

That's just one of many of these at ebay. This is hands down a fine piece of recording gear that will accept both XLR and SPDIF. I've recorded the amp utilizing both to it with top shelf success. SPDIF is one cable and will make things easier to connect. XLR is great too, and you can either use both for stereo, or just one for mono. I mostly prefer mono because it works better into a full mix. Some of these newer units with flash cards don't appeal to me. They either record at only 16/44, or they use some kind of file compression scheme to get more recording time to the flash card. That will contribute to poorer quaility sound, in the end. Better to get something like a d1600, which not only gives you 16/44, but 24/44- much prefered for sound quality. Heck, it even goes up to 24/96 which is SUPER for high quality sound. Not to mention, it has a nice roomy internal hard drive for lots of recording, as opposed to the limitations of flash cards. Then when you're done with your masterpiece, you burn it to the internal cd writer. If you do go for a d1600, get one with that cd writer in there. There are also used Roland multitrackers too. Take a look at ebay to find them, as these all have become discontinued now with the advent of computer recording.

If you really want easy plug and play, these multi trackers are the way to go. Computers are great too, but you'll be learning a whole different, involved thing and mostly you'll be wrapped up in that instead of recording your music.

And least I forget, there is one more way to record your amp and most players who record will insist it's the ONLY way for great sound. That being, micing the amp. I agree, but it's not always possible in a home setting and that's why the choices for output on the cybertwin are really great. Good luck.

Dan


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