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People are saying Gibson guitars are high price and Fenders have been cheaper. I have bought 2 brand new Gibson LP's and 1 Fender MIA deluxe and I don't believe it. My 1st LP was just over $800 tax and shipping and the Fender was almost $1500 tax and all. The 2nd LP was a Robot guitar almost $1900. This guitar is a great guitar, quality work. The Fender same thing, quality, no tuning feature. The 1st LP plays great and is well built but lacks a carved top and shiny finish. It has the same pickups as the robot. Dull finish and not fancy but it plays and sounds great. Neither of these were foreign made. You pay for fancy in any of them. Playability isn't that much different. Tones are different and that is what is great about each of them. Breaks the monotony. You can by a fancy high price artist name or reissue vintage in any of these brands. Gibson may have a longer list of the high price ones but also have comparable models in Fender price range. I like either Fender or Gibson. Now amps are another thing and Gibson amps are out of my price range. Fender has many models and prices available.

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Actually as far as their guitars go, i think their workmanship and quality have improved greatly.Even their MIM and their Squire line are pretty good.Unless i am missing something.



I don't want to come across as if I'm bashing Fender, especially on their turf. I like Fender, I'm just passing along what I and many others know and feel. That said, if you would take the time to research the issues I pointed out on instrument build quality, you'll no doubt find those issues to be quite common across the entire line. Most owners of these instruments simply don't notice these issues unless they are pointed out to them. And as far as Fender amps are concerned, they have really taken a nose dive in the reliability and longevity arena over the years. In a nut shell, Fender is moving toward Yugo quality while inching up towards Lexus pricing. Again, not bashing, just saying........ :)
I think if you did an unbiased research ,you will find the quality of Gibson guitars about the same as Fender and Gibson has moved to Lexus pricing a long time ago.I personally have bought 4 Fender guitars (all American) and have had them set up professionaly and never have had any of them found with any defect.I can say the MIM line has gotteen so much better in quality over the last several years and they are a modestly priced guitar.If you compare the MIM line to say the Epiphone line of gibson ,there is no comparison of quality.Fenderis so much better.


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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:53 pm
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billco wrote:
budglo wrote:
billco wrote:
billco wrote:
63supro wrote:
Actually as far as their guitars go, i think their workmanship and quality have improved greatly.Even their MIM and their Squire line are pretty good.Unless i am missing something.



I don't want to come across as if I'm bashing Fender, especially on their turf. I like Fender, I'm just passing along what I and many others know and feel. That said, if you would take the time to research the issues I pointed out on instrument build quality, you'll no doubt find those issues to be quite common across the entire line. Most owners of these instruments simply don't notice these issues unless they are pointed out to them. And as far as Fender amps are concerned, they have really taken a nose dive in the reliability and longevity arena over the years. In a nut shell, Fender is moving toward Yugo quality while inching up towards Lexus pricing. Again, not bashing, just saying........ :)
I think if you did an unbiased research ,you will find the quality of Gibson guitars about the same as Fender and Gibson has moved to Lexus pricing a long time ago.I personally have bought 4 Fender guitars (all American) and have had them set up professionaly and never have had any of them found with any defect.I can say the MIM line has gotteen so much better in quality over the last several years and they are a modestly priced guitar.If you compare the MIM line to say the Epiphone line of gibson ,there is no comparison of quality.Fenderis so much better.




Crooked control plates bridges are more a cosmetic issue than a defect. Again, it boils down to sloppy workmanship. I doubt most people doing a setup would even notice it, much less mention it, especially if they are a Fender dealer.

Miscut nuts and misaligned necks are more common that they need to be. Again, it depends on who is doing the setup whether these items would even be recognized or not. There are luthiers and there are the local kids working as techs at the big box stores. You didn’t mention who did your setups, so we’ll assume they were knowledgeable and you are one of the lucky ones for the sake of argument. Nonetheless, the term professional setup is meaningless in itself without knowing the particulars of what was performed and by whom.

That being said, an unbiased survey would no doubt show that cosmetic and mechanical defects are not that uncommon across the entire Fender line. YMMV, but that doesn’t change the facts.

Again, it is what it is, no bashing intended. Comparing Gibson against Fender is not really the topic here. :) :)
My guitars were set up by luthiers who cater to mostly professional musicians.I am not saying that Fender is flawless and i also know that as you go up in the line the quality control gets better, but to make such statements without offering any evidence isnt really accomplishing anything.And to just say "Fender "covers thier squire line up to their custom shop line ,so you need to be more specific and more detailed.


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I guess we are all off topic but, if certain items are brought up I will comment on whatever is addressed in any forum. It is the nature of what the interest is. The main topic was fender increases be it amps or guitars it morphed. If it is interesting so what! Who is the monitor of this debate Anderson Cooper?

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billco wrote:
63supro wrote:
Actually as far as their guitars go, i think their workmanship and quality have improved greatly.Even their MIM and their Squire line are pretty good.Unless i am missing something.



I don't want to come across as if I'm bashing Fender, especially on their turf. I like Fender, I'm just passing along what I and many others know and feel. That said, if you would take the time to research the issues I pointed out on instrument build quality, you'll no doubt find them to be quite common across the entire line. Most owners of these instruments simply don't notice these issues unless they are pointed out to them. And as far as Fender amps are concerned, they have really taken a nose dive in the reliability and longevity arena over the years. In a nut shell, Fender is moving toward Yugo quality while inching up towards Lexus pricing. Again, not bashing, just saying........ :)


I never said they improved, that's somebody else's quote.
Sloppy workmanship IS a defect. That's what causes playability and setup problems.


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A crooked plate wouldn't effect a setup,I've been playing too long to not know that one. But a crooked bridge would and I've seen them. They're not getting anything they don't deserve. I'm surprised I haven't been banished from the kingdom. I am just an extremely disappointed Fender consumer. Not really a cultist LOL. That was good. You would think someone from the company would come up with some sort of corporate excuse for what's been going on in the quality department lately. Sometimes I feel like I'm pissing up a rope.


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