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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:43 am
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Can anyone tell me how I can activate the amp feature on my Cybertwin SE via the optional foot controller? I can pull up the Players Lounge and the Custom Shop but am to stupid to figure out how to pull up individual amps. I've had the controller for a couple of years now and have just hooked it up and am impressed with it sooo far. Any help would be most appreciated.


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:08 pm
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Amp feature?

I might not have understood the question, so let's review what the cyber foot controller can do:
1. You can stomp on the FC's program buttons (from 000 to 127, actually it's 00 to 09 in banks from 0 to 12)
2. you can enable/disable the effects
3. you put the SE into tuner mode or play mode.
4. volume pedal
5. effects control pedal
Those are all the features it can control.

To relate the FC's program number (from 000 to 127), you need to program the SE's MIDI Map. The MIDI Map relates the each FC' Program Numbers to a preset (Custom Shop, Player's Lounge or Your Amp). The MIDI Map programming is done on the SE. It is not easy and it is confusing, but the Fender manual does tell you how. Lots of knob spinning involved, and you'll have to keep notes or you'll get lost.

You can also assign what effect you want controlled by the effects controller pedal. Again, you have to program the SE and the Fender SE manual tells you how to do this.

The manual does not have a lot of examples, is not the best, but it does give you the basics on what to do.

Then there's software that makes all this real easy: Cyber Commander from www.generalcybersystems.com The manual is a free download. It is meant to go with the software, but it gives a pretty good explanation of how things work (but it not meant as a replacement of Fender's manual).

Good Luck,
Johnny.


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:17 pm
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Johnny, I do appreciate the time. I guess I need to know technology myself as I am a complete illiterant when it comes to this stuff. My question is can I change from one amp to another using the foot controller. I can go to all my custom shop selections as well as my players lounge but can't pull up the amps on my foot controll. Is that a programming problem or does the foot controller even do that?


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:36 pm
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Please note that you can only program the the SE. The foot controller is a dumb device, it only issues commands (these are "MIDI" commands). All the smarts are in the SE.

Please note SE listens to the foot controller's "commands" and then interprets these "commands" according to what you have programmed into the SE. For example, if tap 001 on the foot controller has been programmed in the SE to interpret 001 to access Your Amp A14 "Twin Reverb '65", then that's exactly what the SE will do when tap 001 on the foot controller is selected. But you will have to program the SE to do interpretation.

See the Fender Manual on the SE, top of page 25, MIDI Preset Mapping. It explains what you have to do. This is a repeat of the manual in short: On the SE, you have to press the utility button until the MIDI Presset Map menu pops up in the data window. The left arrow is associated with the foot controller number. The right arrow is associated with the 250 presets. You gotta spin the knobs just below the arrows to select the mapping that you want. Spin the left knob first, then the right one. The left knob should be spun to select the foot contoller number you want. The right knob should be spun clock-wise or counter-clock-wise to point to the preset you want. Spin until you see what you want, then exit and try it out.

So the short answer is a resounding yes, you can program the SE so that the foot controller can call up any of the 250 presets in the SE (any of the 100 custom shop, 100 player's lounge and 50 Your amp presets). However, I would suggest you take a look at Cyber Commander, I really believe it will make your experience with the SE a lot more pleasant and I believe it will open the SE in ways you probably didn't know existed.

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johnny.


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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:44 pm
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That software certainly looks like it does make midi map programming much easier to do. Am I correct in assuming you can use a Behringer midi FC too, in place of the fender one? I really think I'm headed towards the Behringer. If memory serves me, from all that I've read the FC will get you to your presets and control fx expression and gain, but I don't remember reading about the ability to switch amps sepcifically with the FC. I just don't think it can do that.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:11 am
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First, we need to disspell a myth: the Behringer has no advantage over the the Fender foot controller whatsoever. With respect to the SE, they both do the same kind of thing: they issue MIDI commands to the SE and that is it.

Given the above, please note:
1. The Fender Foot Controller is quite solid, extremely tough. you could stomp day-after-day-after-day (we did) and the fender unit just keeps on working, never broke. It's mechanically very tough. The Behringer is not quite as tough, example: the stomp buttons are plastic (they're more like tap buttons) and they break.

2. Please keep in mind that the Behringer is a general purpose foot controller and that the Fender foot controller was designed to be "plug-and-play" compatible with the SE. For absolutely zero guess work, instant plug-and-play (and for sheer ruggedness) the Fender foot controller is the better choice.

Regardless of your choice, Cyber Commander works with either the Fender or Behringer foot controller. I hope this info is useful to you.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:40 am
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Well, Johnny I do believe I'll be purchasing the Cyber Commander. Again, I thank you for your time and expertise. You have helped tremendously.


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my pleasure!


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Yes, thanks for that info Johnny. I started looking at the Berry because the cyber FC seems to be hard to find these days. And the sucker is 300 ballons- that's damn expensive, compared to 150 for the berry. And all the reviews I've read on the berry are very positive as far as build quality. I do realize it not quite plug and play though. If I didn't lose my damn 4 switch pedal, I wouldn't even be considering the FC. But try and find the 4 switch pedal. I can't, even on ebay. Four prests hold me fine, as I play clubdates and weddings and I don't do a ton of switching. So the FC is a bit of overkill, but it beats switching by hand! And with money being thight, 150 bucks in the pocket is considerable. Still pondering though...

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:25 pm
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You should be able to negotiate a deal. I recall buy 2 Fender FC's for about $225 each. Would even suggest a buyer's club: pool several people together and buy a bunch. High volume lot prices are always quite negotiable, about 25 to 30 percent.
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