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Post subject: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:54 am
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Hi to all,

I've been reading these fender forums for a while now, and this is my first post.

My question concerns where to put my effect pedals, not the order. I have an FM 212R which has an effects loop. my questions is: is that where I should be running my stomp boxes from? on my practice amp (GDEC) I run them directly from guitar to AMP input, because there is no choice.

so being the "noob" that I am, where do the stomp boxes go? Or does it even matter?

Thanks for your input.

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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:24 am
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Apparently you got as much information from the owners manual for your FM212 as I did. All I got out of it was:

"PRE-AMP OUT and POWER-AMP IN jacks allow you
to connect external effects devices, other amplifiers or
sound/recording equipment to your FM 212R"

A little more detail would have helped alot. Also, my 212 has absolutely NO reverb unless you kick the side of it. I have taken out the reverb unit and tried it by tapping the spring by hand, and it works fine. If i screw it back into the case, it does nothing no matter where the knob is set.

Great sound, but has some quirks...

SomethingWithDigby wrote:
Hi to all,

I've been reading these fender forums for a while now, and this is my first post.

My question concerns where to put my effect pedals, not the order. I have an FM 212R which has an effects loop. my questions is: is that where I should be running my stomp boxes from? on my practice amp (GDEC) I run them directly from guitar to AMP input, because there is no choice.

so being the "noob" that I am, where do the stomp boxes go? Or does it even matter?

Thanks for your input.

-Digby-

2004 MIM HSS Strat
2003 Epiphone Les Paul Studio
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Boss BD-2 Blues Driver
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Post subject: Loop effect
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:06 am
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Hey ,

I've been reading your post so I'm gonna suggest you something:

The PREAMP OUT and POWER AMP IN jacks are the effects loop plugs you're searching for. Generally every distortion,overdrive,volume,compressor pedal has to be plugged inbetween ur guitar and the INPUT jack of your ampli. Then every kind of sound modelling pedal such as chorus, delay, reverb, phaser, flanger etc.. has to be plugged in the effects loop circuit for a better result in the whole sound out from ur ampli. You put a jack into the PREAMP OUT plug and put the other head of it into the INPUT of your modelling pedal, a chorus for example. Then you put another jack in the OUTPUT of the pedal and plug the other head of it into the POWER AMP IN plug. Then the circuit will be closed and you can enjoy the more detailed sound that can come from it, in this way.

Hope I was helpful!

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Post subject: Re: Loop effect
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:03 pm
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If I want to record what I am playing, do I run a line from the pre-amp out, to an input jack of say a digital recorder, like a 1/4" to an XLR jack cable?

Scott


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Hey ,

I've been reading your post so I'm gonna suggest you something:

The PREAMP OUT and POWER AMP IN jacks are the effects loop plugs you're searching for. Generally every distortion,overdrive,volume,compressor pedal has to be plugged inbetween ur guitar and the INPUT jack of your ampli. Then every kind of sound modelling pedal such as chorus, delay, reverb, phaser, flanger etc.. has to be plugged in the effects loop circuit for a better result in the whole sound out from ur ampli. You put a jack into the PREAMP OUT plug and put the other head of it into the INPUT of your modelling pedal, a chorus for example. Then you put another jack in the OUTPUT of the pedal and plug the other head of it into the POWER AMP IN plug. Then the circuit will be closed and you can enjoy the more detailed sound that can come from it, in this way.

Hope I was helpful!

Giulio *proud owner of a Squier 1981 stratocaster*


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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:19 pm
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Exactly Scott! Right that way!

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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:20 pm
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BlackPoet9 has it right ... here's my attempt to explain:

To Amp Input:
Guitar >Tuner>(maybe a Phaser)>Distortion Pedal>Amp input

Effects Loop:
Power Out to the INPUT of a Chorus pedal, Delay, chain
Power In from the OUTPUT of a Chorus pedal, Delay, chain

As for the recording, just use the Power Out and then to your other hardware. Hope I made sense.

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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:55 am
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thanks for the advice guys. noticable difference in the sound when rehearsing this week.

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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:29 pm
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PRE-AMP OUT and POWER-AMP IN jacks allow you
to connect external effects devices, other amplifiers or
sound/recording equipment to your FM 212R


Im sorry but I still just cant grasp what was explained on here.

I have a Vox AC15C2 tube amp combo with two speakers, and it has two
out jacks for speakers in the back. One jack will shut off the speakers on the
vox, but the other one will power the speakers to a empty CAB with two more
speakers. I was going to buy a 2 speaker cab, but if the Fender FM212R can be
my speaker cab as well as give me other options, then Im all for it. I see a lot of
them used on Guitar Center for 200 bucks and on Craigslist.

So CAN I use my Vox as the amp and then use the two speakers in the Frontman 212R
as a external Speaker cab without hurting anything ?????

Thanks........Im sorry I dont understand the terms used in the manual I downloaded, but its
just confusing to me. I appreciate any help from anyone who can give me advice. I have a guy who is selling one and he lives a hundred miles away and I need to know before I go and buy it from him if this will work for me or not.


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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:11 pm
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ctguy1955 wrote:
PRE-AMP OUT and POWER-AMP IN jacks allow you
to connect external effects devices, other amplifiers or
sound/recording equipment to your FM 212R


Im sorry but I still just cant grasp what was explained on here.

I have a Vox AC15C2 tube amp combo with two speakers, and it has two
out jacks for speakers in the back. One jack will shut off the speakers on the
vox, but the other one will power the speakers to a empty CAB with two more
speakers. I was going to buy a 2 speaker cab, but if the Fender FM212R can be
my speaker cab as well as give me other options, then Im all for it. I see a lot of
them used on Guitar Center for 200 bucks and on Craigslist.

So CAN I use my Vox as the amp and then use the two speakers in the Frontman 212R
as a external Speaker cab without hurting anything ?????

Thanks........Im sorry I dont understand the terms used in the manual I downloaded, but its
just confusing to me. I appreciate any help from anyone who can give me advice. I have a guy who is selling one and he lives a hundred miles away and I need to know before I go and buy it from him if this will work for me or not.


What you want to do has nothing to do with the 212R's effects loop. To do what you want requires physically disconnecting the 212R's speaker from that amp and running them to the speaker output jacks of the VOX. Waste of money. Buy a two speaker external cab.

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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:20 pm
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Not only that, he hijacked the thread anyway (lame!). The explanations given here about the Preamp Out and Power Amp In have been very confusing indeed, although the OUT is OUT from the amp, and the IN is IN to the amp. Simple.

Also, a jack is the hole in the amp while a plug is on the cable. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:29 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Not only that, he hijacked the thread anyway (lame!). The explanations given here about the Preamp Out and Power Amp In have been very confusing indeed, although the OUT is OUT from the amp, and the IN is IN to the amp. Simple.

Also, a jack is the hole in the amp while a plug is on the cable. :roll:


Zombie thread. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:46 pm
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What you want to do has nothing to do with the 212R's effects loop. To do what you want requires physically disconnecting the 212R's speaker from that amp and running them to the speaker output jacks of the VOX. Waste of money. Buy a two speaker external cab.[/quote]

I have many hobbies and its strange to me that people are much nicer when asking questions
then YOU HIGHJACKED and BS stuff. I took the time to try to find another thread that
was about the same amp and the question I needed answered, and I felt that the people
here were knowledgeable enough to possibly answer my question.

I had two different people that worked at Guitar Centers tell me I could do what I wanted
and then people here said I couldnt. Im just trying to find out what the correct "truth" is before
making a purchase that may be wrong and I needed the info promptly,

There is an old saying that if you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all, and that
sure goes to the person here who only had HIJACKED to say. To the others who said I would
have to unplug the Fender speakers and should just buy a cab, Thank you but the money
would be the same money, and if I could get it to work, it would be a better deal. As it wont work out of the box, as you say, then it would not be worth it and that is the info I came here
to get, and I thank you for being kind enough to take the time to answer.

Photography and Astronomy and shooting rifles and pistols are the other hobbies I was mentioning that you would not be accused of highjacking anything, as they are no so ANAL.


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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:03 pm
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ctguy1955 wrote:
I have many hobbies and its strange to me that people are much nicer when asking questions
then YOU HIGHJACKED and BS stuff. I took the time to try to find another thread that
was about the same amp and the question I needed answered, and I felt that the people
here were knowledgeable enough to possibly answer my question.

I had two different people that worked at Guitar Centers tell me I could do what I wanted
and then people here said I couldnt. Im just trying to find out what the correct "truth" is before
making a purchase that may be wrong and I needed the info promptly,

There is an old saying that if you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all, and that
sure goes to the person here who only had HIJACKED to say. To the others who said I would
have to unplug the Fender speakers and should just buy a cab, Thank you but the money
would be the same money, and if I could get it to work, it would be a better deal. As it wont work out of the box, as you say, then it would not be worth it and that is the info I came here
to get, and I thank you for being kind enough to take the time to answer.

Photography and Astronomy and shooting rifles and pistols are the other hobbies I was mentioning that you would not be accused of highjacking anything, as they are no so ANAL.


First of all, learn how to quote other posts properly before you go off on a rant. :roll:

Secondly, I design and build guitar amplifiers. I didn't say you couldn't do what you wanted to do, only that the effects loop has nothing to do with it. I then explained how you could do what you want, and yeah it is a waste of a good amp in my opinion. You can believe me or some slug at Guitar Center. I don't give a damn.

Don't bother responding. Welcome to my ignore list. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:40 am
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Slightly on the same topic rather than a new one, this is a problem I have with my Frontman 212R

I have a Dod effects unit with allows me to plug in an external backing track source, and then play through the amp. However, I do like the natural overdrive I get with he frontman via the footswitch. The problem is, that the backing track music is also treated with distortion, thus I cannot find away of playing the backing track clean, and distortion at the same time, without using a preset on effects board. It seems to be either one or the other.

Am I to presume that both input channels on the Frontman both respond to the global setting of the amp, and I cannot have a clean channel and overdrive working at the same time ??? I like to jam along with backing tracks but it only seems possible using the effects board, into a clean amp setting.


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Post subject: Re: FM 212R Effect Loop question
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:19 pm
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Spangle6 wrote:
...Am I to presume that both input channels on the Frontman both respond to the global setting of the amp, and I cannot have a clean channel and overdrive working at the same time ??? ...


Your presumption is correct. You might try your backing track in the loop to see if there is any improvement in the sound. :idea:

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