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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:47 am
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Just as Jodo pointed out... "Vested Interest" ???


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Probably not such a good test :)
The Chinese/Mexican/American made axes all use very different pups,
that alone makes them sound very different from each other.

For the rest of it, doesn't really matter where the CnC/robot machine is that made/assembeled the parts.

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63Supro you are correct in that "assembled here" would be a better choice of words. I just finished reading a review of the new 57' Champ in Premier Guitar and even it has a Chinese 5Y3 (Ruby.) Most of us realize that as much as we would like an all American made anything the realities of a 21st century global economy make that difficult to achieve. Quality is what really counts and I have among my amps a SCXD which was made in China and is well built. I read an interview with Bruce Egnater a while back and correct me if I'm wrong but some of their amps are now made in China aswell. First rate quality though.


Egnater's are built in China. Every amp is inspected and tested in the US. The build quality is amazing in these amps. The components and boards are top notch too. There are different build qualities coming out of China. It's the companies choice as far as craftsmanship goes. There is a lot of hand wiring in Egnaters amps. I paid $600 just for the little 20 watt head. The cabinet was $250 extra. That's a fair bit of change for that head but the quality really shines through. The Ibanez Artcore guitars come out of China and are really well built instruments as are some of the Epiphone Masterbuilt guitars.

The PCB's in most Fender amps are thin, single sided boards. The Egnaters are double sided with plated eyelets for better solder joints on the components. The tubes are GT branded JJ's and Sovetek's.


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Personally I think it's racist as hell to presume everything made in China is $@!&. As 63supro says, plenty of stuff is nice.

This thread is a load of bollocks IMO.

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Oh, I forgot to mention that I was in the Machinist Union (IAM) for 15 years and was also a shop steward and I'll tell you what, the Union didn't extort anything from the company. It was usually the other way around. Them wanting something back.

If it weren't for the Unions, we would be manufacturing here under conditions that you find in third world countries. The companies moved to other countries so they can get away with what they did a hundred years ago and that's a fact. It's all about greed and profit.

Do you honestly think a large corporation can't manufacture reasonably priced guitars and amps here? Peavey can, so can Gibson. Not every Gibson guitar costs $5,000. You can get some pretty nice models for around the same cost as an American made Fender. Fender has some pretty pricey custom shop models too. And guess what, they bolt them together just like a Squire. Which guitar do you think it costs more to make? One you bolt together or one a craftsman has to build with a set neck?

Do you think the Chinese are any less skilled than the American worker? They make these cheap poorly designed amps because they are hired to make them. They are designed and the parts spec'd here in the good old USA to make as much profit as possible.

Remember the Yugo? At least with a Yugo you knew you were buying a POS.

I am now stepping down from my soapbox.

You guy's really know how to get me going. :shock:


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Yugo, sheer luxury! Back when I was young we had a Trabant., now that is a piece of engineering :D

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Remember the Yugo? At least with a Yugo you knew you were buying a POS.


Right on about product produced exactly to specs.

Quite a while back the telecomunication industry I was working for moved work to Mexico, when their labor dared asked for more pay the work moved to Brazil, then it bounced to Russia, then India, now it is migrating to China.
Merrily following the trail to lowest paid laborer and laxest environmental / working condition laws.
Globalization at its best!

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Boycotting Chinese made amps is not going to create more jobs in the US and boost the economy.
Get your head out of your arse..welcome to 2010

Here's something to boost your Elitist Ego even more,Close your eyes before watching and guess which guitar is played

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUgcQ6XZuQk


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Who has a bruised ego? Who's has the Elitist Ego? The kids good. There's a lot of kids who play well. There's more that don't though. All it takes is practice and dedication. LOL

No, boycotting amps made in China isn't going to help the economy. No one has their head up their arse either. The OP was upset that so much stuff is made in China. I actually said that not all Chinese stuff is poorly made either. Bringing the manufacturing jobs back to the US will create more jobs for American workers.

I can only speak from where I'm located, and the employment situation here is pretty grim and that's where all the animosity towards Chinese made products comes from. It's from frustration, so maybe you should get your head out of your own arse and have a little compassion for the unemployed worker. Welcome to 2010. :wink:


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Except maybe the newbie jumping in with the wonderful snot nosed attitude and promptly dissing the entire N/A workforce :D

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No one has their head up their arse either.

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Im just a newbie with an opnion.
I have been reading up on this forum for awhile.

I thought this is fender.com/COMMUNITY/forum and not
fender.com/COMMUNIST/forum.

Im just expessing my Freedom of speech if that is ok with you?
Please read through my post,when did I start promptly dissing the entire N/A workforce.

Maybe Im the one with my head up my Arse because everytime i speak i hear echo echo echo...
I guess you're all righteous dudes and i should just shut up.
errr...NAh

Better watch out for the Yellow peril now they got your jobs next they will take all your women.

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Yeah, welcome to the forum.... I think


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Yeah, welcome to the forum.... I think
Insulting people won't get you anywhere. Remember, the forum is global and you never know who you might be insulting. I may be the "Yellow Peril" you speak of. :shock:


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Insulting...WTF!
I think you need to focus on the whole thread rather than just me
The mud slinging started way back before i gave my input

Like i said before i have been reading up on this forum for awhile reading on some very informative post's up untill now.
This thread is pathetic..(but its a good one to bump up my post count)

So go on your God all mighty Crusade and boycott all Asian made products
Then you'll be hurting all the major Guitar manufacturers in the US how many more jobs will be lost then?
Not all walks of life can afford Cutom shop price's and the big F knows that, their brand is reaching out to all corners of the globe

There are some good affordable gear out there more than ever before.
In current economic climate, spend your money wisely..chill out enjoy

Oh thanks for your warm welcome..I think.....NOT!


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Insulting...WTF!
I think you need to focus on the whole thread rather than just me
The mud slinging started way back before i gave my input

Like i said before i have been reading up on this forum for awhile reading on some very informative post's up untill now.
This thread is pathetic..(but its a good one to bump up my post count)

So go on your God all mighty Crusade and boycott all Asian made products
Then you'll be hurting all the major Guitar manufacturers in the US how many more jobs will be lost then?
Not all walks of life can afford Cutom shop price's and the big F knows that, their brand is reaching out to all corners of the globe

There are some good affordable gear out there more than ever before.
In current economic climate, spend your money wisely..chill out enjoy

Oh thanks for your warm welcome..I think.....NOT!


LOL :roll: Your missing the point. MY AMP IS MADE IN CHINA!!!!!!! I have no problem with stuff made in China or Mexico as long as it's well designed and well built which the "Big F" is not.
It's your whole attitude of the American worker and your snotty attitude altogether that's pissing me off. Personally I don't give a flying crap about post counts.


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<<<< Oh Look 8 post's

Lets read through my post, what did i mentioned about American workers....hmmm

Quote from Jodo ...(DUMB)
There is no question that the Chinese take jobs away from Americans.
Anybody who denies this is either incredibly naive or has a vested interest in pimping Chinese goods.

I replied
Ahhsoo... isnt it also true that Americans with jobs do Chinese take away.
(Meaning American with jobs sometime not all the time do eat Chinese take away food....no?)


I will never buy American made chopsticks,very poor quality i read on various forums it makes you very obese.
(Meant as a joke,I apologise to the American company Making chopsticks for the Asian market,Im sure its as good as Asian made ones)

Quote from atolleter (DUMBER)
Just as Jodo pointed out... "Vested Interest" ???

My reply to that would be
I have no interest in Vest's.I dont wear them are they like Man bra for your Man Boobies...LMFAO

63supro i have read your post's which are very positive & valid comments seems like you too are also being accused of pimping Chinese goods...

You dont like my snotty nose attitude should i be asking you for a hankerchief.
Get off your high horse and chilllll...


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