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Post subject: '65 Twin Reverb vs. '65 Deluxe/Super Reverb
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:19 am
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I'm looking for a new amp, and it's going to be one of these three. what's the difference between the Twin Reverb and the Deluxe and Super Reverbs?

for the record, what I want is to go from a John Mayer perfect clean sound to a John Frusciante-ish tone. would that be possible with the Twin? or not?
I use a '59 Strat with DiMarzio Virtual Vintage pickups and I recently bought an unidentifiable (late-70's, I'm guessing) Silvertone Strat-copy for $70, and then installed a 1969 strat neck pickup, the other two p-ups are stock.


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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:55 pm
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John probably has his twins modified.
I recently trade my 65 twin RI for the Hot Rod Deville.
Th twin was very clean and loud but I couldn't get any crunch from it.
This I do find in the "all tube" Deville whihc has 3 selections Clean, Drive and More Drive.
Given the 3 choices you mention I would go for the Deluxe


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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:41 am
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I'd go with the Deluxe. I have one and it's too loud for most applications. You can cover the music you're seeking with this amp. What you're going to want to explore are pedal options.


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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:47 pm
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I believe the largest difference is the speaker config. and also on the Super Reverb (I'm not 100% sure on the Deluxe) there's no Mid control on the normal channel. All three are wickedly clean amps and you'll need to find a quality pedal to dirty them up.


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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:07 pm
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Actually, the Deluxe is not clean if you crank it a bit. That's why a lot of people like the lower wattage of this amp. Depending on your guitar, if you put it at 4 on the volume then you're going to get some breakup.
I'm not sure about the Super. The Twin will get really loud while staying clean.

There is no mid on the Deluxe. I've been told the mid doesn't do that much on the other amps. I'm not sure if that's true.


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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:32 pm
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Twin Reverb - King of cleans ! You will not get overdrive from that amp. 2X12, 6L6 power tubes, treble/bass/mid on EQ. The perfect amp for clean jazz or clean strat tone in my opinion.

Deluxe Reverb - Great cleans to about 3-4 on the volume, then you get to the break-up point. Lots of Telecaster love the Deluxe as it gives them a nice mild overdrive sound without sounding like a hard rock guitar player. Think the "Hot Country" tone. One 1X12 speaker, 6V6 power tubes, treble/bass only on Eq. Beautiful sound, nice breakup, but not loud enough with drummer and another guitarist.

Super-Reverb - Great cleans, and break-ups early too. 4X10 speakers, 6L6, treble/bass only on Eq. Look at it this way for the Super-reverb: you can't go wrong with that amp, whether you want clean of overdrive !

All have outstanding reverb and tremolo.

To get overdrive like John Frusciante , you'll need to use pedals. But, his tone is also coming from a "wall of sound" type of tone, so I think the 4X10 Super Reverb would better serve you. I perfer the Deluxe reverb myself between all 3, but I don't own one.

If you want to stay away from effect pedals and get from mild to full shred type of distortion, you may want to check out the Fender super-sonic line (1X12, head & 2X12 or 4X12 cabinets). This amp has classic Fender blackface clean with the 65 Vibrolux channel, and 66 Bassman channel, and a "jaw-dropping" ovedrive channel with two gain controls.

There isn't really any bad tube amps from Fender, which makes it very difficult to choose the right one. My only advice is to take your time if you're bying with the mindset that this is your last amp, and to try before you buy, even if that means travelling 1,000 miles to try them all :)

Tweed Dog Steve


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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:59 am
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thanks for all the replies, they've been really helpful.

I just played the Deluxe, and it definitely was clean. I'd think it would be perfect for what I want to play, seeing as I used a (very nice) HH Telecaster with the amp- not my Strat.
I think it might be slightly too quiet for some applications I would need it for, like being waay louder then everybody else by itself, while outside.

so, while the Deluxe is a great amp, I think the Super would be more to my liking, though I do still have to play one. and a Twin, just in case.

thanks again!


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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:23 am
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You're underestimating the Deluxe. I've played outdoor shows with it and it's worked fine. In my last band the other guitar player had a 50 watt JCM 800. We both cranked our amps at one outdoor show and they told me to turn down, not him. I always had to turn my amp down in practice so we could hear his Marshall.

There's really not that much difference in volume between 22 and 40 watts anyway. I would pick the amp based on it's sound. Volume is not going to be an issue, unless being too loud is an issue.


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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:07 pm
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joeanderson wrote:
thanks for all the replies, they've been really helpful.

I just played the Deluxe, and it definitely was clean. I'd think it would be perfect for what I want to play, seeing as I used a (very nice) HH Telecaster with the amp- not my Strat.
I think it might be slightly too quiet for some applications I would need it for, like being waay louder then everybody else by itself, while outside.

so, while the Deluxe is a great amp, I think the Super would be more to my liking, though I do still have to play one. and a Twin, just in case.

thanks again!

It depends on the music you're playing. A Deluxe starts to break up around 4 or so on the volume knob. Outdoor gigs I usually had to have a mic in front of it. Serious tone but I'll tell you what, it couldn't keep up with my rhythm players Marshall 18 watt tube combo. It's great for smaller rooms and cuts great. With a good pa system you can play anywhere with it. It just depends on what you want to do with it. My twin I could play anywhere. Seriously reliable, Tons of clean headroom. When it comes to tube amps, I would go with a used Silver Face fender amp before any of the pc board newer amps.


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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:02 pm
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The critical sound difference besides the breakup point (do Twins EVER break up???) is in the power tubes. 6V6s produce the most musical, harmonically rich blooms in the world. 6L6s are bit thinner and harsher, will deliver clean louder, and give you a big, thumpy bottom.

Once you get seduced by the subtle magic of 6V6s in a Fender amp, there's no going back.


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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:16 pm
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I wouldn't consider the sound of a Twin neither thin nor harsh. You're right, Twins never break up. It just depends what type of sound you prefer. I really do like the breakup of a 6V6, But I like 6l6's too. I sort of bounce back and forth.


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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:03 pm
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A Twin will give you a very "hard" steely attack. To me it's very close to a good solid state amp. I guess when I mean "thin", I mean at moderate volumes the Twin stays dead steely clean and a DRRI will start to "bloom" into thick warm overdrive. A good example is Steve Cropper's classic superkleen Tele Twin lead tone on a million hits. That's about as thin as it gets. Thin isn't necessarily bad.


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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:20 pm
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I still wouldn't call it hard or harsh. I owned one for 30 years and I could dial almost anything I wanted depending on the guitar I used. My 72 Strat would always sound brighter than my Lester or Artcore with HB pups. A Strat sounds bright through a 5e3 Deluxe or just about any 6v6 amp too. It all depends what you put in front of the amp. Actually the 6l6 Hot Rod Deluxe sounds a little dark imho. The drive channels can sound harsh but that's from the pre amp tubes and is easily changed as it is with any tube amp. It's not just the tubes, there's a lot of other factors involved including bias.


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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:31 pm
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No question both the HRD and the Blues Deluxe and BDRI are somewhat dark and lack the Strat glassy hi-end sparkle you get from especially the Twin but also to an extent DRRI. I always think of them as all about the midrange grind. When you crank the treble on a BD, you get a hard BRIGHT, not sparkle. That class of amps lacks that pretty "Presence" tinkle that Strats eat for breakfast.


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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb vs. '65 Deluxe/Super Reverb
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:55 am
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I would always go for the super reverb because it has the best clean sound i have ever heard (in my opinion) and at 45 watts you can rehearse or gig with this amp.

the deluxe hasn't got that same rich bottom end as the super and isn't loud enough clean for gigs as it breaks up with it's 22 watts.

the twin is extremely loud and clean but to me the sound difference is that the twin has a solid state rectifier resulting in a lack of that warm sag that tube rectifiers have.

so all in all i would opt for the super reverb.

best wishes....andyluthier


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