Welcome to the Cyber Twin forum! (even though it was a month ago...)
I have always wondered why more guitarists have not logged on here to share information and settings here. As I see it, there is just a handful of users here.

I also own a Line 6 modeling amp. Their forums do have some settings ideas that I have adapted to the CT, but it's a lot of work/trial/error. I also hope people can post some ideas here too!

Enjoy!
Presto.

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oooh, Cyber-Twin Users Club! New to me, but last post Feb 2014.

I was using my CT 1st edition last night; just guitar straight into amp, not any complicated midi set up like I have been posting about on this forum these past couple of months. I have been reading about a lot of people not able to get modern sounding metal tones out of CT, and the only reason I can find for them not able to acheive nice, heavy distortion is for lack of trying.

The Prosonic ‘94 setting has the potential to grind some pretty nice chunk. The only problem I continually wrestle with with my CT is noise. Does anyone know what the input jack condition is whether there is a cable plugged in or not? When I have a cable plugged in to the CT input with high gain settings, the running noise is very high. I do not use noise gate by choice, unless it is for effect, but typically no gate. When I unplug the cable from the CT the noise mostly goes away...I am talking about a 40db difference when the cable is removed. The manual doesn’t say anything useful about the input jack.

yeah, noise is the only real problem with the Cyber Twin...well, and not being able to disable the display from chasing midi CC , which was a massive oversight in a product with the Cyber Twin’s capabilities.

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So, there it is for those still looking for Cyber Commander. I can’t beleive I read the whole thing
So to summarise: the Cyber Twin interest just disolved in 2012...Fender discontinued CT production and along with that, General Cyber Systems crumbled.

Further, I didn’t quote it here when he states it in this massive CT thread, but Johnny Stecchino is not this contributor’s real name; it is a username he chose inspired by a film.

Currently, the only CTSE I can find to buy on the internet is a head in Italy which is pretty pricey. I reckon the vintage sellers are testing the waters for CT revival price bump. I can’t really see that happening.

I assume that the SE owners either cut bait long ago and sold to folks who covet them or don’t see the point in selling at such a loss from the fat original investment had they bought their CTSE new. I wonder what the stories of any of you CTSE owners who might read this are...

There are several CT 1st editions on ebay and Reverb for between $200-$800. I’d love to get a spare 1st edition and an SE. I am seeing new listings for first editions pop up on ebay every month.

I am not sure the Cyber Foot is really worth it in this day and age with some of the amazing midi footcontrollers available these days.

As far as spdif and recording direct with the CT, I have never gotten a clean signal into my computer directly to audio interface via the cab sim xlr outs...by "clean" I mean mains noise/hum/buzz. The only way that I have found that sounds pro is mic. So far, I personally have never been able to get any audio/guitar signal into a computer via my PreSonus FireStudio Mobile interface when connecting the Cyber Twin spdif; I intend to try again soon as I understand so much more now than I did previously. Again, micing sounds BY FAR the best, IMO/E.

I really think the CT is misunderstood and was too complicated. The real killer was the SS only power amp section. Fender didn’t make good decisions on routing flexibility, either, as the FX loop is far too limiting. Also, the display following every midi CC is also an oversight...one that would surely put off serious professionals who use a lot of midi CC.

I am not going to stop using the CT, I record with it very often for paid music commissions and for which it functions beautifully.

I sure would love to get the CyberCommanderCT.exe

I apologise for being so late to the party

good luck CT users

Hi cyber twiners !
I've recently become proud owner of CT first edition (software 1.2).
I'm from Croatia, Europe where Fender sell CT in single digit number.
Which, on 4 500 000 population, is not...a lot.
But, in our defense, it's price was about 13 500 kunas (about 1900 euros, which was over 2000 dollars), in a state where the average cellary was about 4500 kunas (about 650 euros) was just a HUGE amount of money.
I've always wanted it but it was always out of reach.
Well, in our version of craig list, there two CTs. One for 7500 kunas and other 6000 kunas. For my budget it was arrogantly pricy and I've refuse to seriously think about it. But, there was one on ebay in Germany which price was 3700 kn. And that was a price I was willing to pay.
And now I have it ! And I LOVE it !!!
I'm playing since mid '80s and had a LOT of amps. Of course, some was tube, some was SS, but NO ONE was like THIS. Of course, I had my learning curve in my life through sound chasing until I've found that HSS strat and fender hot clean, driven and saturated sound is the sound which I've chased. I had a lot of processors and still have tc nova system, which is perfect to use in loop and use for MIDI switching. It's my dream setup.
I must say that I don't understand comments about how complicated CT was for use... I don't agree. It's pritty straigtforward for programming, assuming that you have any kind of experience with any kind of guitar processors.
We can debate about the sound but, as the beauty is in the eye of the observer, so is the sound in the ear of the listener.
For me - it's perfect. I can use a lot of it's conectivity posibilities (stereo line out, MIDI switching, stereo loop, or simplyfy setup with two analog footswitches for simple gigs). Because I've played on a lot of different gigs, small or big, a tube amp was always on the risk and few times I had a problems with them. So, I decided to use SS amps and CT is THE BEST of them ALL. Well OK, it's hybrid, but I've played other hybrids...some good some bad...but NO ONE had all what CT can offer.
OK, I have no need for heavy metal sounds and, yes, dyna sounds are not responsive on the volume pot like those which use preamp tubes but, I don't mind. Compressor (which is NOISY) deliver enough sustain for me. Hard rock drives are enough for me. I'm killing noise with noise reduction. But, hot clean sounds and all of that edgie, crounchy...for me - pure HEAVEN. And very easy to achieve...almost all of them are good, better and the best. NOT ONE analog SS amp havent done this for me. Some tube does, but most of them was one trick pony or pricy, so I've end up to use NOVA system in front of them. I did'n want to use pedals for drive because lot of reasons so NOVA was a obvious solution.
But now I have CT. I'm only hoping that it's going to have resonable reliability.
Only remark that I have is that I noticed that, when the master volume goes over 4 or 5 (which is pritty damn loud), I'm sensing like the amount of gain in drive is about10-15 % less. Is it possible ? Is anyone else sense it ? Can it have something with speakes ? Mine CT was on display and it's not used almost nothing...maybe its speakers are not broken in yet ?
Anyway, if there is anybody who want to exchanging experiences with CT, I would like to talk with you !
Greetings from Alan from Croatia, Europe

Hi Alan,
Welcome to the CT ghost town. As you can see, I resurrected this zombie from nearly four years ago after digging deep in an attempt to attain a copy of General Cybersystems' Cyber Commander CT.

I am happy for you on your CT purchase! I have had a few conversations with CT users on this Fender forum over the past 6 months, yet it seems the old guard has disappeared some years ago. Maybe they are on a different sub forum? Maybe they are using Helix or Fractal or back to all tube or boutique or RI?

You have firmware 1.2... Are you planning to upgrade to 1.3? I am on 1.3.

I have had my CT for many years, but didn't use it that much in the past 12 or so years. Since this past summer 2017 I have worked on deeply understanding the CT and have been pushing its limits. Hopefully you will take my advice and find a midi desktop controller for use alongside your footcontroller (if you have any footcontrollers)... As I have said many times, using a desktop midi controller gives incredible remote control functionality; especially powerful with an amp like CT and/or rack units. Learning to send automated controls from computer to CT and rack units is full of creative possibilities!

I do wish I could get a copy of CyberCommanderCT version, hopefully you can find a version. I have a version for SE; it doesn't work with original CT. Oh well, it didn't stop me from using my CT.

Good luck and Happy New year

Hi, Todd !
Now, isn't it's just sad ?
Only you and I debating about this fantastic amp in this almost dead forum topic...
For me, it is.
Personaly, I think that this amp is one of the greatest things that happen in any kind of musical world, for guitarists, that is.
I'm so so so sorry that I haven't be able to get one a long long time ago.
I mean, I'm not a fool. I'm aware that digital technology is overaking and I have no problem with that. I also know that die hard users of tube amps will never change their minds. And it should be that way. Because, there is NOT the best sound, band, guitar, amp, processor, producer, guitarist, musician,music in the world. We are all different and we have to embrace those diversities as our uniqneses (if there is such a word ?! ).
What is the great in it is that you always can find someone with similar taste in anything and just enjoy in sharing thoughts with those people.
And that's this forum supposed to enable, deliver and support, ain't it ?
Thank you for yours tips for desktop controller and I believe that is great but I still not use CT for recording, or, at least, on that level that suppose to use all that advanced stuff. But, anyhow, those are very useful info. For now, I just enjoy in any second that I'm using for learning my sound and effects knowledge and skills to derive the best I can from CT.
Man, I REALLY LOVE this amp.
Of course, I would love to upgrade to 1.3 version but, as I understood from different forums, it was fender fabric upgrade that envolved change of chips, software and include mechanic tube stabilizators and was performed in certificated fender dealers at that time. I realy doubt that I can perform that kind of upgrade in this times, so long after fender dropped CT, even at certified dealers...But, if you have any knowledge about that, please share it with me...
I'm so sorry that the genuine software for PC is become impossible to find. Acctually, it's stupid because I think that the fender supposed to maintain software for this amp till the end of last peace of this amp anywhere in the world. After all, it was their flagship model in the time...it's just something you don't do...abandon the instrument in which is invested so much people work and knowledge...and then you cut software...it's just something that you don't do...
Oh well, we have to manage with what we have...
What do you think about that gain issue that I mentioned in my first post ?
Anyhow, I wish Happy New Year 2018. to You and Your familly !
And all of survived forum members of course...if there is anybody out there still interested in CT !

Hi Alan,
it sounds like you are very excited about your CT. I like mine a lot, too.

I was playing for about 4 hrs today with a whacky wet/dry/wet set up where I had my Adam A7x monitors as my dry “center”; Princeton on the left; CT on the right. I am getting to know my friend’s Korg A3, which has a direct output which makes that w/d/w set up really easy. The Korg A3 has some nice sounds, especially the digital delay...I think the key to the Korg A3 sound is the compressor cuz it does sound really good. The A3 FX don’t sound so remarkable without the compressor and the FX sound great with the compressor. Contrary to the CT and Digitech GSP 2101 compressors which I don’t think sound good at all. I usually turn all noise gates off unless I use it as an effect for heavy/metal.

I was using the FX Loop on the CT in this set up today. I have never really had any success using the CT FX Loop before. As far as I could understand, all the CT FX Loop does is bypass the Trim knob! I had the Korg A3 right side output patched into the CT FX Loop right side RETURN. It is critical to get line level to have reasonable volume. I have heard a lot of complaints about Cyber Twin FX Loop. I need to look into it more deeply.

I do like the Prosonic sounds for heavy distortion...I think what I really like is how easily it feeds back. IMO the problem with CT heavy distortion is the too clean SS power amp. I like playing heavy distortion, yet I have been mostly focusing on cleans and surf style blackface breakup lately. Something about the CT sounds less focused for metal sounds to me...and I don’t think it is the cabinet or speakers. Maybe changing preAmp tubes is worth a shot. Again, I think it is the power amp. I will have to work on some metal sounds. Also, I find the Prosonic circuits very noisy.

Your question about the CT Master Volume? I agree with you. I don’t have an answer for what is happening there. Put the Master at about 6 and that feels like 80% of the volume. There are a lot of guitarists who really do not like Master Volumes. I also think this has something to do with the gain staging. If your CT preamp circuit is low output that might affect the master....I will have to do some tests to give good answers. I think my humble Princeton 65 gets pretty load too...seems it would compete with the CT.

Midi desktop controller is not necessarily for recording, it is like a remote control of parameters within your CT that, without the midi controller, you have to walk over to the CT, press buttons, navigate menus, turn the correct dials with yourself next to the amp where your ears aren’t in the best sonic position to correctly judge the chsnges to parameters you are making. With midi controller you can Real Time modify up to 18 parameters instantaneously while having your ears where the amp sounds best (4-5 meters away). It will change your life, believe me Have a look around this forum for some of my (long winded) previous posts on midi controller and cv over midi cc.

Sorry to hear about the difficulties stopping you from upgrading to 1.3
Dropping the chassis on the CT I have not done yet and I have read it isn’t so easy. I do not know how to perform the upgrade to 1.3. I would assume it involves changing some EPROMs which requires dropping the chassis and acquiring said EPROMs.

The General Cybersystems Cyber Commander software is not a product produced by Fender, it was a 3rd party. I do have a version for CTSE but it will not work with an first edition CT
I have used the software as it does run on my computer, but it won’t talk to the CT. It would awesome to have it...a HUGE timesaver.

thanks for the good wishes
Happy New Year to you and yours

At one time a product named Cyberlab was available for free.
It was written by a man in Australia in 2003, as described in a thread in another forum. He made it free for everyone.
I have a copy & can post it to a site where it can be shared & downloaded.
Someone in this forum must set up a site and post the link to where I can upload the software, & then 1st edition Cyber-Twin users can download it & then start sharing (uploading & downloading presets). Very easy.
No more need to be without backup copies of all your presets.

I have used this software on Windows XP and currently use it on Windows 10.
I keep copies of all my presets & my entire Players Lounge (P1 to P84) on my computer.
I can restore all at once or any individual preset one at a time from my computer to my Cyber-Twin.
This software is only for 1st edition users. I seriously doubt if it would work with 2nd edition Cyber-Twins.

When I upload a copy of cyberlab to an FTP site that is available to users of this forum, (both ver 1.2 or 1.3 will work with cyberlab) sharing presets will be easy.
Posting presets to the site will be as easy as uploading a file, & the preset files are small in size, about 1k each.
Numerous files can be zipped.

OK
It's been 2 weeks with no interest shown for the free software for the Cyber-Twin.
That's the sign of a dead amp.
Have fun people.

Sharing, posting, saving presets...I am not interested in that. We can download & and upload SYSEX dumps with Midi-Ox which is free, too.

These amps are being bought and sold...and played. I have been watching 30+ auctions on ebay and reverb.com. Cyber Twin is only dead in the sense that Fender quit making them nearly 10 years ago. I plan to buy another version 1 and an SE or 2 in the next 2 years.

If Cyber Commander were still available, more people might be interested...This forum is by no means the best place to talk Cyber Twin

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Which forum are you using to talk Cyber Twin?
I'd like to take a look.

well, ok, you aren’t going to find scintillating conversation on CT, really, anywhere

try fendertalk forum
the gear page is probably the best...TGP is an extremely busy forum
especially compared to this fender official forum

ctreitzell
Over the years since 2002 when I bought my CT, I pretty much devoured everything I could find on the Cyber-Twin (mine is 1st edition V1.3).
I had not bothered much over the past 4 years or so, because everything CT seemed to be drying up. I had not looked at FenderTalk so I will entertain myself with a few searches on that one.
Thanks for the reply & good luck to you.

Hey guys I still play thru my Cyber Twin SE w/foot controller I bought new when Fender just released the 2nd edition. I liked it so much I bought my second one new w/foot controller a few years later just before Fender dumped the CT project. I have been thoroughly happy with them and will be at a loss trying to find a replacement modeling amp w/ foot controller to replace when either bites the dust.