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i think their great i just got one :wink:


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:D I got one too about a month ago.
Also, thanks to all who are putting their favorite settings for the CT here as well.


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If you go into the amp section The A's and select one of the Champs, try cranking up the volume and the gain and you will find a snarling beast that gives one of the best Classic Rock sound to be had.

and then add a little delay of your choice and you get a real cool stadium rock sound.

building your own sounds with the CT is where you can really have a lot of fun.

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The question below has been a the top of this forum (see "CT SE Accoustic Sound"). I wanted to get it into this CT Users listing but it wouldn't go. I think I may have figured out ... we'll see.
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While still learning the capabiities of the CTSE, I've been experimenting with the accoustic scoop to try and create the sound of a steel-stringed accoustic guitar for that occasional song that sounds better with an accoustic. So far I haven't been able to create a satisfactory sound of my own. I did try some that were listed with Patch Wizard, but still haven't found what I'm looking for as yet. Everything I've tried sounds sort of "muted," for lack of a better description.

I'm using an American Standard Strat with a new set of D'Adarrio XL Chrome .011 flat-wounds.

Does anyone have a patch that you use for the occasional accoustic sound??? Or am I really stretching it??? What other settings might be affecting the sound to make it "muted.???"

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Sorry I have never tried that direction, the CT is a vintage rocker machine to me and a bit of what we called hard rock back in the day.

I cant imagine getting clean enough on the CT for acoustic.

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I first started playing back in 1963 and couldn't afford a strat back then. I bought a Sears Silvertone, dual pickup guitar (with the amp in the carrying case) and seperate Silvertone twin-12 amp, and, a little later, a Goya 12-string accoustic. I stopped palying after I entered the Air Force (too many moves and equipment damaged too many times). Since the equipment couldn't take the travel, I ended up selling it all off in 1974, figuring they'd never be worth much and I thought I would be able to do something new once I settled down.

I retired from the Air Foce in 1989 but didn't think about playing again until 2004. I decided to take up the guitar again and bought my dream strat (a 3-color sunburst American Standard) which also has the 50th anniversary badge on the neck plate along with a Fender DSP 90 amp. The amp was okay to start practicing, but not what I wanted long term.

I kept looking and eventually played the original CT and fell in love with it. So, earlier this year, I bought the CT SE and have used several custom patches for various sounds I like. The music I play is mostly 50's & 60's classics (British and American rock, Beach, MoTown) with some Country (Johnny Cash, Alan Jackson) and Southern Rock (Allman Brothers, Creedence, Atlanta Rhythm Section).

I found that the CT SE gave me a good sound for each of these types plus allowed me to start trying slightly different settings. I.E. they sound familiar but are different.

So, to make a long story short, since all other "sounds" have been so easy to do with the CT SE, I thought I'd really like try to get an accoustic sound from the CT as Fender shows in the Fender CT SE ad on their web site. I realize that I'll probably never get an EXACT accoustic sound, but I'd like to get close.

From what I've seen of this forum, and this list in particular, if the CT SE can do it, someone here has probably done it!!!

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I haven't found a way yet to make a Strat sound like a dreadnought or an arch top guitar.

But I did find out that the "Acoustasonic SFX" amp that's built into my CT SE sounds good with my arch top. Of course, I had to tweak it to my preference, as you would with any amp.

The one thing that caught my attention in the above post was that it sounded "muted". Does that mean it has the sound like is made when palm muting near the bridge with a Strat?

Also, I haven't been able to reproduce the sound in the Fender video. But then I didn't try all that hard either. I just pulled up the Super Reverb amp and switched the timbre to 'acoustic', which is what I thought they did. But apparently not.


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I looked at the cyber ad they have on the company website. It looks like they're using the P09 - Foo's Hero preset, then the guy switches the Timbre filter to Acoustic Scoop. I think they made their own settings for the commercial, because when he switches to AS the little music note comes on and that means its the preset for that setting. But the P09 has a different scoop as it's preset.

Oh well, I went to P09 - Foo's Hero, left everything as they had it and changed the scoop to Acoustic Scoop and it sort of sounds like what they had on the commercial.

But I don't think on the commercial it sounded all that acoustic to begin with.


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Thanks for the replies. I'll have to play with P09 to see what can be done. It wasn't that the commercial sounded just like an accoustic, it was what gave me the idea that if I could get close, it just might work (i.e. I don't want to have to use another guitar ... I'd like to stick with the strat).

By "muted" I meant sort of "muffled" or "muddied" ... more like nylon strings without any "brightness" to them.

Wow ... this is really hard to describe!

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Well I tried C09 - Foo's Hero (P09 has already been overwritten- but it should be the same) and just changed the timbre to acoustic scoop. It didn't work for me. Too much distortion and mud - with and without effects.

Anyway, I remember the man (Shane I think) saying they started with a basic Fender clean sound, then switched the timbre to acoustic. I noticed one of the amps in the CT SE is a Stage amp, and since I had already tried the Super Reverb amp and it was a no go, I decided to try the Stage amp. A man at church played one of those and it was a clean machine if there ever was one.

So I switched to the A25 Stage '99- amp, switched the timbre to the acoustic scoop. This was the closest I've found to an acoustic sound. However I was using my Jaguar at the time, so it might not work the same with your Strat. But maybe it could work for you, with some adjusting.

Just trying to help :)


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I'll give the Stage amp a try.

I also tried modifying a Super Reverb as mentioned earlier is this thread, but, same as you, it was just too harsh.

I also tried the Acoustasonic SFX and it was better than I had done on my own. Though I don't have the settings with me right now, I did turn all effects off and found a good bit of the way it sounds is by using the left- and right-polarity versus standard polarity.

As I play with modifying the Acoustasonic and the Stage Amp, I'll keep all appriased and post the settings when I get to something I like.

I have come to the conclusion, though, that a solid body, like the strat, will just not ever be made to sound like a steel-stringed acoustic (I'm allowing that the VG strat may be able to do so, but I haven't actually heard it yet). For lack of a better description, I guess it just can't get the "bell" quality of an acoustic.

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Bought a used original C-T, cheap with a couple things missing, a couple years ago. It's a darned nice amp, but does not do clean as well in this opinion as the old unmodified Line 6 Vetta I HD / 412.

The C-T familiar Fender amp settings are slightly superior to L6's models but the C-T is noisier (especially hiss) overall.


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mhaines wrote:
I have come to the conclusion, though, that a solid body, like the strat, will just not ever be made to sound like a steel-stringed acoustic (I'm allowing that the VG strat may be able to do so, but I haven't actually heard it yet). For lack of a better description, I guess it just can't get the "bell" quality of an acoustic.

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I wish I could have been more help, but I think you really got it right with your conclusion about not being able to get a Strat to really sound like an acoustic.

However, in fairness to the companies like Fender, that continue to work towards that end of getting an acoustic sound from a solid body, I'll have to say that The CT SE sounds "closer" to an acoustic than the any of the attempts of others I have tried and heard in the past. So, maybe soon someone will succeed and make something does get that sound from a solid body. But, IMHO, It's not there yet. At least that I know of.


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I wish I could have been more help, but I think you really got it right with your conclusion about not being able to get a Strat to really sound like an acoustic.

However, in fairness to the companies like Fender, that continue to work towards that end of getting an acoustic sound from a solid body, I'll have to say that The CT SE sounds "closer" to an acoustic than the any of the attempts of others I have tried and heard in the past. So, maybe soon someone will succeed and make something does get that sound from a solid body. But, IMHO, It's not there yet. At least that I know of.


You're right!!! It's amazing that it could even do something like an acoustic or get anywhere in the vicinity of sounding like an acoustic. This is the only area where the CT SE falls short ... but not that short as it does SO MANY other things so well.

Actually you helped quite a bit by steering me to the A25 Stage '99 amp. What I did determine is that the LINE/SPKR Phase setting is what was muting/muddying the sound. If left at standard polarity, then it does have more of the quiet/muted quality of nylon strings. If you use either left or right reverse polarity, then a "sharper" sound is obtained that has more of the quality of steel strings. It's still missing the bell-like qualities of steel strings, but it's closer than I would have expected. I'm still working on it and will post the settings later this weekend. For what's its worth, it could subsitute in a pinch for an acousitc ...

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mhaines wrote:
What I did determine is that the LINE/SPKR Phase setting is what was muting/muddying the sound. If left at standard polarity, then it does have more of the quiet/muted quality of nylon strings. If you use either left or right reverse polarity, then a "sharper" sound is obtained that has more of the quality of steel strings. It's still missing the bell-like qualities of steel strings, but it's closer than I would have expected. I'm still working on it and will post the settings later this weekend. For what's its worth, it could subsitute in a pinch for an acousitc ...

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Now, that's interesting.

That got me to thinking ..... Maybe to go back to the Super Reverb amp, since it is already so "sparkling bright", and give it another try using the idea of the left or right reverse polarity speaker thing. Oh well ... something else for me to try.

And your point about the CT SE doing everything else so well is exactly right. Usually, I'll find more than one way to arrive at a sound I'm looking for. This attempt at getting a Strat to sound like an acoustic has been the only place I've found that I haven't found an answer - at least yet. But then, I don't know of anything else on the market that will do that either.

By "Acoustic", I'm assuming you mean like a dreadnought. At least that's the sound I've been attempting to get. However, right now I would just like to get a sound like 'any' acoustic. Be it dreadnought, auditorium, arch top or whatever.

My daughter brought up an interesting observation. She said the acoustic guitars at church (dreadnoughts) sounded kinda hollow. So I cranked in a bit more reverb and said hows that. She said, no - that just sounds like more reverb. She, of course, was right. I have found that she usually has a pretty good ear for things like that. So another area is - how to get "hollow", without reverb.

One other thought I'll leave with you.
I found that I could get closer to the sound by turning the gain down. This worked on several amps I was trying. You may want to give that a try. The one problem I encountered with this was, if I went too far down, I lost my volume. So the patch would have been hard to use in a live situation because of volume issues between the patches.

I'm looking forward to your posting your results where you finally get the sound, or ar least close to it. :D


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