Gents,

Settting trim on barely flicker or less will not provide enough signal for the A/D converter - the result is indeed a "harsher quantized" signal and a harsher set of effects, but not horrible, just a bit harsher. Lots of green trim lights, the quantization is much, much better, and less harsher effects. Overdrive into the red, and you will get digital clipping, kind of like compression + some overdrive harmonics. I would suggest that a great starting point is lots of green lights and take it from there.

definitely the cyber twin has it own character and it takes a bit of getting used to it, but once you master it, you'll never want to use another amp.

As for not enough volume, I now routinely use 2, sometimes 3 se's. I also set up them a little differently for my own unique sound. When I use number three, it's usually in the center and clean. Effects on two opposite sides. I like lots of reverb and echo, i play surf. I think you get the idea...

ciao,
johnny.

Hey Dan, a couple things I'm wondering about in regard to your settings. It seems to me like you shouldn't be having that much trouble pushing your trim meter into the red with your guitar at 3/4 and the trim at 7-8. I'm wondering if maybe your trim meter may be out of calibration? Now I'm not saying that you should be running in the red because you're right, the more red you get the more clipping you will encounter.

It's been my experience with input trim meters that there's a decent amount of headroom built into the meters so that when you just flash the red at your hottest setting, you'll never hear clipping. It's a simple as using your ears (which it sounds like you're doing very well btw.) The real problem with clipping on the Cyber-Twin SE is when you light the red "peak" light, which indicates digital effect clipping and is the harshest, worst sounding clipping ever! The input trim meter is just a guage of how much guitar signal you're giving your amp to work with. I still think you should set the input trim so it pops red momentarily at your highest guitar volumes.

You have the added problem of playing a lot of Jazz which requires those sweet clean tones and the way your accomplishing them looks right. Giving yourself headroom and backing down on the guitar. It seems like the real problem you're having is the power amp in the amplifier introducing some distortion at your higher volumes. I rarely run my Cyber-Twin SE above 5.5 on the Master volume and my distorted setting stay creamy and smooth at and below that volume level as you stated you've heard on your amp. It sounds like you incorporate a wide dynamic range into your playing which isn't a bad thing but it may be necessary for you to run multiple amps or mic your amp and give yourself some monitor feed so you can hear it better. Then just run your amp in the sweet spot on the Master volume.

Another thing you may want to try (you've probably already done this) is experiment more with the individual tone stacks and see if you can find your clean tones at those higher volumes. I personally have not pushed this amp to maximum on the master volume so I don't know if it's possible to get those clean tones at the high volumes you run. I run feeds from the XLR outs on the back of the amp to the main P.A. and give myself monitor feed so I can keep may amp in it's sweet spot.

I hope this gives you some reference for comparison anyway. Sorry for answering your post with a book!

-Matt-

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Okay LesK, you asked for it, you got it. Here's one of my "not yet posted" preset patches from the concept album. This one is called "LMC Matt's Noise" and it's one of my 'sound effect' patches. I mainly use this preset to create ambiance or mood in the context of whatever song we're doing.

On the "Fudgie The Dog" album I used it to great effect on the song "Prison" to create that surreal feeling the song needed. It actually worked well for the blues soloing I did in that song, the sound forces you to play slow licks to really work for soloing.

I did post a soundclip with it but the preset really only shines as part of a bigger soundscape. It sounds kind of cheesy on it's own yet it's suprising how much it can bring to a song.

You can find out more about this preset, listen to a clip and download it by clicking the link:
Cyber-Twin SE Preset "LMC Matt's Noise"

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Hey mvrush ! - thank you

I suspect you may be on to something. My calibration could very well be off, or at least not as accurate as it should normally be. Can this meter be calibrated by the user? That would be excellent if it could. I don't remember any documentation about being able to calibrate the meter, aside from twisting the trim dial by the user. But if there is something in a setup menu- awesome!


I will do this the next time I have some quality time to mess with the amp. For me, messing with the amp is usually done on stage and with the CT there is SO much that can be tweaked, it's best to do so at home when you have the time to really explore. Not to mention, it's the most FUN time to do it!


Yes indeed. But aside from jazz, having some crunch by way of only cranking the guitar has been extremely useful in a lot of cases on gigs. So much so, I only need one distortion preset in my quick access bank, which I use when I need full-on distortion. But 'poking' this amps crunch simply by bringing up the guitar is very useful. Less so when I'm looking for a totally clean sound. Then it can be a pain, and it's the reason why I've been on a mission to get the gain staging right, or at least as optimal as I can for the wide variety of music I play during the course of a gig. When I play full out rock gigs, I actually have it much easier.


I have experimented with tone stacks, yes. So much fun that is! The fact that this amp can be tweaked in so many ways for so many scenarios makes this a hugely unique and fun amp, I must say. I don't mic this amp on stage, nor do I run the XLR's out to the board. We rely on stage volume most of the time, unless the venue is a large one or we are outdoors. I know that it could help my situation with the sweet spot, but I don't often do it. I'm also one of the lead vocalists in the band as well, and the less I have to compete with instrument-wise in the PA, the more I like it. So my sweet spots for all my patches will have to be narrowed down to gain staging and tweaking from the amp itself, and that's proving to be a bit tricky.

I really appreciate your suggestions Matt. To the contrary, I feel like I keep dominating the thread with this. But maybe some owners, or perspective owners of this amazing amp will find it useful. Thanks for indulging me everyone!

Dan

I don't think there's a menu setting for calibrating the Input Meter. I mention it because the built-in tuner on my Cyber-Twin SE is slightly out of calibration with my Peterson 490-ST Strobe Tuner and it drives me nuts. But it proves that things could be out of calibration on the Cyber-Twin SE.

I did download the schematic from somewhere (Fender.com I think?) but I can't find a tuner calibration pot on it. If you're interested you can download the Cyber-Twin SE Schematic directly from my site. I posted it toward the bottom of my Blog post about the Cyber-Twin SE.

-Matt-

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I'm new to this forum and have been amazed with all of the responces to the Cyber Twin and its many settings. I just want to thank the guys at Cyber Commander for helping me in getting the program to run on a Mac through the use of a utility program called Parallels. This utility allows me to run Windows XP Pro on my Mac in conjuction with other Mac programs that run at the same time. The Cyber Commander runs on its own Windows vitural machine and does not interfer with the Mac programs that I'm running. The only thing that I have noted being a miner problem is the connecting to my Cyber Twin SE after restarting the computer. The midi connections do not find themselfs and the program can't find the Cyber Twin. The work around that I have used is to disconnect the USB connections for the midi connectors and then reconnect them and the program can then find my Cyber Twin. I know that's NO BIG DEAL and the program runs fine on my Mac.
I also want to thank all of the people that have submitted presets for the Cyber Twin. For the most part the presets have been very easy to install through the Cyber Commander. A few reqired minor editing. Once again, NO BIG DEAL.

Between the software and information from people in this forum, I feel that I have a new intrest in concurring the factory presets to achive a better understanding of how to adjust presets for sounds that my ears enjoy.


Randy

I just posted up another of my custom programmed preset patches for the Cyber-Twin SE. This one is called "LMC Twang" and as the name suggests, it's kind of a country twang type sound.

I like my sounds to have some pretty good tube compression on them so I have the gain up quite a bit on this sound but it still cleans up very well.

You can check out a soundclip, download the MIDI Sysex and a Text file here: Cyber-Twin SE Preset "LMC Twang"

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I made a mistake on the Text file and the MIDI Sysex file for the LMC Twang patch on my site. I had the Tone Position set to "Post-Distortion" and it was supposed to be "Pre-Distortion". If you make that switch it will sound much, much better.

All the fixes have been made on the download page: Cyber-Twin SE Preset "LMC Twang"

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I'm planning to get one sometime this year! I've watched the full-length DVD on YouTube eight times. I can already guarantee I'll play it 2-5 days without stopping.

The Cyber-Twin SE is the best amp ever Overstood! Get one, you won't regret it.

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Hey guys, I have really enjoyed reading your posts and I am thrilled to say I am a new Cyber Twin (original amp head) user. I just love this amp and everything it does but I want to try something with my old rig but I need your help.

My old rig is an ADA MP-1 midied up with an ancient Digitech DSP-128. I want to try running a two rig system all controlled via my Cyber Controller. So in other words, I want to be able to stomp on the Cyber Controller and change patches on my Cyber Twin, the ADA and the Digitech. How do I set up the midi part of this?

I am not expecting to be able to run the continuous controller with the ADA or Digitech, only the Cyber Twin.

Any help you guys can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

It's not a matter of whether or not I get it anymore, it's when!

hi cmiller,

I don't know your rig well enough but i can provide you some guidance. At the risk of beating my own drum, go to www.generalcybersystems.com and download the Cyber Commander manual. It has a section on how to control two or more Cyber Twins in the manual. This is very useful info and may help you quite a bit. Actually, there is a lot good info on the Cyber Twin's MIDI controls. Good luck,

ciao,
johnny.