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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:28 pm
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Wow. I feel young @ 25 (probably because I am). I'm a bass player and I've logged alot of gigs with a Fender 300t that's been booted across the country (Canada) quite a few time in the back of a car, and it's never given me and trouble/grief, but then again it's a head and cabinet unit and the vibration is usually soaked up with the rubber feet. That and the head weighs a hundred pounds.

That's about how many gigs I got out of my HRdlx, 6-8, all at a moderate volume.

I don't understand how point-to-point is supposed to 'enhance' tone, alot of great recording micr pre-amps aren't point-to-point, they are on a printed board and I've never heard anyone say that a UA product is inferior.


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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:26 pm
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My opinion on point to point verses pc board is this: Point to point can be modded and repaired several times before any damage is done to the turrets or eyelets. A properly engineered pc board can sound just as good as a point to point. See Aiken Amps. Having worked with both, I would much rather be working on an old Fender eyelet board than any pc board.
Turret boards are even easier to work with. I acquired (freebee) an old Grommes Precision pa system (tube) that has been laying in water it appears. The pots are frozen up, it looks like crap, but guess what, I fired it up and it still works. It is point to point. So my conclusion is, if I spend the time to build my own amp, it's going to be point to point.


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My first amp was a 63 Danelectro DM 10 I was 11 years old. Not log after in 1964 my father bought me a Vibrolux Reverb. My brother plays too, borrowed it in 1989 and it got stolen. My screen name if from a 1963 Supro Martinique that was my first electric guitar and I still own and play it. It's made out of fiberglass that Supro called Reso-Glass. Supro was a budget line of the National/Valco company. Very cool sounding and looking guitar.


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I wish I had started that young. Unfortunately, I didn't start seriously playing electric guitar until I was 21. Got a Duo-Sonic from the bargain box at Thoroughbred Music in Tampa, FL when I was in the service. Didn't know much of the Fender history then, but the guitar had a stamped date of October 1964. Pre-CBS student guitar, wish I would have kept #1 like you did.


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Ugh, all of my 'first' guitar related stuff was copped off of me at a cold winters night. It's a real bummer to have grown up playing something and to just lose it. My mom had a really nice Fender acoustic that was yonked from a car that was broken into that she had for 30 years. Still painful to think about it getting jacked.


So, PTP is really just a mechanical issue, not tone influenced?


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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:52 pm
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rjake,

It makes no difference when you started as log as you're having fun.
I got rid of some stuff I should have kept too.
I got to do some pretty big festivals, back up some really cool musicians, and play the Philly club scene in the late 70's to mid 80's. Lots of fun. Family commitments (marriage) made me retire. Got divorced and got a new supportive woman. Now I play for fun as and do "guest" appearances with other musicians I know. I'm thinking about putting together another blues band.

The most important thing is having fun.


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Only my opinion on the point to point thing. There are boutique point to point manufacturers that sware "the tone" is better. So, maybe my ears are just not refined enough.


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That's really cool Supro. My favorite music to listen to and play is from the seventies. I too had commitments that kept me from making music full time. Got divorced, married a more supportive 2nd wife, and still don't play as much as I want to. But I gotta set my priorities. My wife thinks I should do repairs full time, but I enjoy doing it so much I don't want to make it become work.

Do you have any of your playing on the net?


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Not that I'm aware of. Video wasn't as portable then,It was mostly film and the internet? Man, led calculators were just coming out in the 70's LOL.

The bass player and drummer my brother and I used to play with had a 30th reunion gig at a local bar last summer with all the bands they were in. Five bands played including us, and video was taken. We did some Aerosmith, Elvis Costello and Wishbone Ash covers. I never received a copy. Serious fun though. The place was packed solid, they had to turn people away.


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Maybe with PTP wiring there is more contact between each component and when you're dealing with more juice then a microphone preamp it makes a differance?

Hey Supro - when you played those festivals what kind of P.A. gear were they using? I'm always interested in that stuff... Did you have monitors by that time or were guys still sidewashing the band? Was the club scene in Philly the type where you'd get 4-5 day engagements or was it still mostly one off's back then as well?


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At the festivals they hire a sound company. I'm not a real technical guy. They had stage monitors. Some company's are great, some not so great.
The stage volume is not overly loud. If it is, it messes up the mix.

Back then you might play one or two nights then move on. But there were bigger bands like the A's, Ken Kweder. Robert Hazzard and the Hero's who had a lot of it tied up. It kind of got political after a while and if certain guy's didn't manage you, you didn't get the bigger venues. That's when I became a backup guy. I get a call, and maybe John Lee Hooker needed an opening at the Chestnut Cabaret I'd get a call. It was fun.


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You got to open for The Hook?


Were most of the clubs blues and rock? I know that nowadays almost of the clubs I've done the rock and roll thing is the exception - it's usually 6 nights of a DJ 'playing' the gig. So brutal.


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Yeah, He was seriously cool. We sucked. It was a last second thing with some guys I never played with before. He was an incredible human being.


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That sounds like a good selling point andyk12. But if you put a high quality meter between the components and compare pc board and point to point, you won't see a resistance difference. There are crappy sounding point to point amps too. It depends on the overall design.


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Supro,

I was referring to a My Space, Soundclick, etc. page. I have a Soundclick page with me doodling around with guitar. Nothing serious. Just playing with Guitar Tracks Pro 3 and Gearbox.


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