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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:34 pm
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The power amp in jack is different than the input jacks on the hrdx 4. The input jacks had been changed ever since the reissue models.
The original model's input jacks were the same as the Power Amp In jacks. This may be the source of your confusion.
The 9 pin and 4 pin plastic jacks in the original version had problems with stripping out the fine threads on the retaining nut. These can be identified by the chrome ring inside the tip.
A Fender replacement 9 pin jack is necessary for the Power Amp In jack because of the complex switching available in it. The updated jacks do not have the switching capability.


This is what I suspected, but just didn’t know. Thanks so much. Yes, they totally need to update their description, but I see where it could be easily missed. Thanks again! I’ll order one of these and hopefully it’s what I need!


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:52 pm
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I apologize if I come off as a butt-hole, but it just seems to me (and I could be wrong), that people any more don't wanna do their own research. They don't exhaust all their own resources first...they just come here, ask a question, have others do their work for them, get the answer they want, and disappear without so much as a thank you or any signs of even stopping by the forums again. One stop shop.


You’re right, you do come come off as a butthole. Since you don’t read well, I’ll write it again...maybe read slower this time. I’VE GOOGLED THIS AND HAVE NOT FOUND THE ANSWER.

It only talks about the actual input jack. Not the one I’m referring to. Since I’m an electrical engineer, chances are high that I know about a thousand times more about electronics than you do (maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it). I know how to use a search engine. I simply can’t find what I’m looking for with a Google search (at least not an answer that anyone seems sure about) and I don’t know, thought that the FENDER FORUM might be a good place to find out info on a Fender amp.

To those who responded with something intelligent, thank you and I’ll check out the website suggested. I guess a call to Fender may get me going in the right direction, I was just trying to avoid a painful telephone call when I figured someone on here knew the answer. Thanks guys!


Frequently there are requests not just here but in the other sub-forums that seem to be a request for info without any research. The info gets supplied, and then there is no acknowledgement that the info was helpful, accurate or not helpful, just no reply at all.

We are in the same boat as you. No schematic for a v4 HR deluxe. You have the 3D schematic, so to speak.
You claim you are an EE. That means technically, you are more than qualified to ascertain what power amp input jack is in your amp, and order something that is appropriate for a replacement.

I spent 38 years as a technician working with electrical engineers, some of them were excellent, some of them couldn't engineer their way out of a paper bag. I can't count on both hands the number of times I had to disagree with them. I'm the one that had to implement their "designs".

I doubt a jack that disconnects the pre-amp output when you plug something into it and connects whatever you plug into it has changed.

I understand the value of documentation and how frustrating it can be when there is a lack of it.

But we're talking about a $3 part.

I'll leave it at that.

Who's the butthole here? Maybe me. Maybe White Dog.

Or maybe it's you.


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:32 pm
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I apologize if I come off as a butt-hole, but it just seems to me (and I could be wrong), that people any more don't wanna do their own research. They don't exhaust all their own resources first...they just come here, ask a question, have others do their work for them, get the answer they want, and disappear without so much as a thank you or any signs of even stopping by the forums again. One stop shop.


You’re right, you do come come off as a butthole. Since you don’t read well, I’ll write it again...maybe read slower this time. I’VE GOOGLED THIS AND HAVE NOT FOUND THE ANSWER.

It only talks about the actual input jack. Not the one I’m referring to. Since I’m an electrical engineer, chances are high that I know about a thousand times more about electronics than you do (maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it). I know how to use a search engine. I simply can’t find what I’m looking for with a Google search (at least not an answer that anyone seems sure about) and I don’t know, thought that the FENDER FORUM might be a good place to find out info on a Fender amp.

To those who responded with something intelligent, thank you and I’ll check out the website suggested. I guess a call to Fender may get me going in the right direction, I was just trying to avoid a painful telephone call when I figured someone on here knew the answer. Thanks guys!


Frequently there are requests not just here but in the other sub-forums that seem to be a request for info without any research. The info gets supplied, and then there is no acknowledgement that the info was helpful, accurate or not helpful, just no reply at all.

We are in the same boat as you. No schematic for a v4 HR deluxe. You have the 3D schematic, so to speak.
You claim you are an EE. That means technically, you are more than qualified to ascertain what power amp input jack is in your amp, and order something that is appropriate for a replacement.

I spent 38 years as a technician working with electrical engineers, some of them were excellent, some of them couldn't engineer their way out of a paper bag. I can't count on both hands the number of times I had to disagree with them. I'm the one that had to implement their "designs".

I doubt a jack that disconnects the pre-amp output when you plug something into it and connects whatever you plug into it has changed.

I understand the value of documentation and how frustrating it can be when there is a lack of it.

But we're talking about a $3 part.

I'll leave it at that.

Who's the butthole here? Maybe me. Maybe White Dog.

Or maybe it's you.


It’s not me. I was accused of not doing research when, in my first post, I stated that I did. That makes it him, not me. The first assumption shouldn’t be that I did nothing to find the answer for myself. I understand that may frequently be the case with a lot of posters, and I’ve seen it myself on many forums. But when I tell you I tried, and clearly other people find the search results confusing, it’s definitely not me. Don’t defend the ridiculous response I received. I don’t deserve it.


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:39 am
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I deleted my posts in this thread...just didn't expect it to go this route. Stick to the topic.
Good luck in your search for the correct part.

If it's any consolation; this thread has helped me. Just realized I need a Power Amp Input Jack for my Deluxe 85...and stratele52 has unknowingly found that for me. Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:48 am
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If it's any consolation; this thread has helped me. Just realized I need a Power Amp Input Jack for my Deluxe 85...and stratele52 has unknowingly found that for me. Thanks!



+1 :)


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:51 am
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I agree, let’s move on and no hard feelings on my end. Sounds like we all learned something. Thanks for the help...and keep rockin...


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:45 am
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I apologize if I come off as a butt-hole, but it just seems to me (and I could be wrong), that people any more don't wanna do their own research. They don't exhaust all their own resources first...they just come here, ask a question, have others do their work for them, get the answer they want, and disappear without so much as a thank you or any signs of even stopping by the forums again. One stop shop


Meh...... IMO This is the complete opposite of being a D%#K... nothing more than " teaching a person to fish so they don't starve"

A) who comes to an internet site looking for "more than surface info?" One can't really diagnose an intermittent problem from a computer miles away.
B) Everything is out there... acquiring a few internet search strategies/skills takes someone really far in the direction they want to go.

The snapping off of the instrument cable in the amp jack, that just gives cause for pause.

How does that happen? Somone trip of the cable? Yanking on the cable like it's a garden hose? Perching the amp on something several feet above the ground where it wasn't secure?

Lots of talk about plastic jacks on HRDs, and I don't really care for them either.... but the force to snap an instrument cable off in one would have also fubar'ed a normal Switchcraft jack too.
Best practice is to wrap the instrument cable around the handle, create about a foot of slack, then plug the cable in. It's Preventative "in case someone trips over the cable"

Here are my 3 precepts on best practices with the new PCB Fenders that will help lead to longer working life.

Seems Oxidation of welds, Cold welds are the bane of these.

I. Never expose the amp to extreme temperature changes. After a gig/practice go heat up the car etc. Just like a pop bottle taken out of the fridge, you put a hot amp in a cold car, you got condensation inside that amp... & since modern soldering materials suck & since the screen welds on a modern Fender are not the highest quality... those amps don't any encouragement in the oxidization dept

II. To Cut down on Cold welds "Never" move the amp until it's cooled to room temperature.
To further drive home the fragile nature of modern screen-printed circuit boards, if the amp has a borderline cold weld, banging it around moving it, is going to exacerbate the issue.

III. The most commence sense of the 3. Treat the amp just like its an expensive laptop computer or another fragile expensive piece of electronics. Who this precept is aimed at is the young person who wouldn't dream of tossing his laptop computer in the trunk of his car (to rumble around going don the round) or wouldn't dream of banging the computer up against the walls while the moving from room to room. Yet, has no calms about manhandling his HRD, Bjr, Projr (insert any lower end Fender here) A PCB has no moving parts, if the components are functioning correctly the amp should have a long service life till the batteries give out (i.e. the electrolytic capacitors )

people have done the above and have got a "decade-plus" of service from HRDS, Bjr, Pro Jrs etc..


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:57 pm
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I apologize if I come off as a butt-hole, but it just seems to me (and I could be wrong), that people any more don't wanna do their own research. They don't exhaust all their own resources first...they just come here, ask a question, have others do their work for them, get the answer they want, and disappear without so much as a thank you or any signs of even stopping by the forums again. One stop shop


Meh...... IMO This is the complete opposite of being a D%#K... nothing more than " teaching a person to fish so they don't starve"

A) who comes to an internet site looking for "more than surface info?" One can't really diagnose an intermittent problem from a computer miles away.
B) Everything is out there... acquiring a few internet search strategies/skills takes someone really far in the direction they want to go.

The snapping off of the instrument cable in the amp jack, that just gives cause for pause.

How does that happen? Somone trip of the cable? Yanking on the cable like it's a garden hose? Perching the amp on something several feet above the ground where it wasn't secure?

Lots of talk about plastic jacks on HRDs, and I don't really care for them either.... but the force to snap an instrument cable off in one would have also fubar'ed a normal Switchcraft jack too.
Best practice is to wrap the instrument cable around the handle, create about a foot of slack, then plug the cable in. It's Preventative "in case someone trips over the cable"

Here are my 3 precepts on best practices with the new PCB Fenders that will help lead to longer working life.

Seems Oxidation of welds, Cold welds are the bane of these.

I. Never expose the amp to extreme temperature changes. After a gig/practice go heat up the car etc. Just like a pop bottle taken out of the fridge, you put a hot amp in a cold car, you got condensation inside that amp... & since modern soldering materials suck & since the screen welds on a modern Fender are not the highest quality... those amps don't any encouragement in the oxidization dept

II. To Cut down on Cold welds "Never" move the amp until it's cooled to room temperature.
To further drive home the fragile nature of modern screen-printed circuit boards, if the amp has a borderline cold weld, banging it around moving it, is going to exacerbate the issue.

III. The most commence sense of the 3. Treat the amp just like its an expensive laptop computer or another fragile expensive piece of electronics. Who this precept is aimed at is the young person who wouldn't dream of tossing his laptop computer in the trunk of his car (to rumble around going don the round) or wouldn't dream of banging the computer up against the walls while the moving from room to room. Yet, has no calms about manhandling his HRD, Bjr, Projr (insert any lower end Fender here) A PCB has no moving parts, if the components are functioning correctly the amp should have a long service life till the batteries give out (i.e. the electrolytic capacitors )

people have done the above and have got a "decade-plus" of service from HRDS, Bjr, Pro Jrs etc..


Since I can see I won’t be using this forum anymore, I guess I don’t care what happens to this thread or account (I can always just make another one with a different set of credentials if I want to anyways). So here goes...

You’re a class A retard aren’t you? First off, I did the research. Trying reading slower next time. Second, please point out where I said the instrument cable broke off in the jack...? You’re just one of those morons that makes up junk they “think” they read. I didn’t say that the cable broke. I bought the amp this way...I didn’t break it. Then, you waste a lot of your time telling me how to care for an amp and connect cables. I know how to do that, thanks. Again, I didn’t break this one. I spend my entire work week caring for electronics that likely cost more than than you’ll make in several years or a decade...knowledge about electronics isn’t the issue.

It was the lack of reliable descriptions on parts sites that led me here in the first place. Sure, I could’ve unsoldered the jack and figured it out on my own...as a matter of fact I could build the amp from scratch if I wanted to. But that’s not really the point. Point is, I just wanted a simple nudge in the right direction from people that I THOUGHT had more knowledge on the jack than I had without tearing the amp apart. Just because I can take the thing apart and figure it out doesn’t make that the smartest approach to a problem. I tried to do the research, and couldn’t find it. I thought THE FENDER FORUM would be a good place to ask (silly of me, I know).

I’m sure some of you (maybe a lot of you) have tremendous knowledge on here. My advice would be to NOT let a few dumb$$$es ruin your forum. When a person comes for help, and has shown initiative, don’t let the little internet warriors accuse them of not trying. It just makes you all look bad.

To those that helped, I truly appreciate it. I’ve helped out many a person over the years and I’m always grateful when some helps me out. Thanks again.

To the rest of you, practice reading and comprehending a post before you make yourself look stupid.


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:22 pm
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Its not a matter of "letting", Shoeless. Only Fender has the ability to ban members and they don't do that often.
This is not an ideal way to communicate under the best of circumstances and patience on both ends is needed to get a concept across clearly.


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:21 am
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shoeless,
I understand your reaction, I have sometimes witnessed this kind of exchange in other forums.
If you give up the forum, it will be as if the other member would have been right, whereas it is not the case.

We who tried to help you hope to see you again.


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:27 pm
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Since I can see I won’t be using this forum anymore, I guess I don’t care what happens to this thread or account (I can always just make another one with a different set of credentials if I want to anyways). So here goes...

You’re a class A retard aren’t you? First off, I did the research. Trying reading slower next time.


Ok, I'll try

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Hi guys, I've Googled and searched but cannot find what I'm looking for definitively. I... have... a... HRD v4... that... has... a... broken... "power... amp... in..." jack... on... it... Can anyone tell me the part number or point me to a link where I can buy a replacement to install?


Yep, the same conclusion is drawn as before.

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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deluxe IV Power Amp In Jack
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:10 pm
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The power amp in jack is different than the input jacks on the hrdx 4. The input jacks had been changed ever since the reissue models.
The original model's input jacks were the same as the Power Amp In jacks. This may be the source of your confusion.
The 9 pin and 4 pin plastic jacks in the original version had problems with stripping out the fine threads on the retaining nut. These can be identified by the chrome ring inside the tip.
A Fender replacement 9 pin jack is necessary for the Power Amp In jack because of the complex switching available in it. The updated jacks do not have the switching capability.


This is what I suspected, but just didn’t know. Thanks so much. Yes, they totally need to update their description, but I see where it could be easily missed. Thanks again! I’ll order one of these and hopefully it’s what I need!


I hope what you ordered is what you needed.

If you came here not expecting any disagreement, you were mistaken. This is a public forum, and as such, you may get more than one opinion.

I apologize that I suggested that I, White Dog, or you may be a "butthole".
At least, I didn't call you a "retard". In my "extended" family there are people that have mental disabilities, and I find I'm somewhat offended by pcaluguru's post.

But even still, I think that the more we have posting here, the better.

It is my sincerest hope that you will continue to post here if you see fit.

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