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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:32 pm
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We are not talking about hunting in 2019 ?


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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:52 pm
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I never know what you're talking about, pal.

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:34 pm
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And what about blues Deluxe reissue? It says molded rubber "DogBone" is that mean rubber mixed with dogbone or its only the name of its style?


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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:13 pm
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Nebel wrote:
And what about blues Deluxe reissue? It says molded rubber "DogBone" is that mean rubber mixed with dogbone or its only the name of its style?

Seriously?

Ya... It's made from genuine Canadian Tire rubber trees impregnated with poodle bone taken from Pfizer animal testing labs.

Please go find another forum to troll.

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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:14 pm
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Oh no what's this now I see :
CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION 65 WARNING
WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm - http://www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:19 pm
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Nebel wrote:
Oh no what's this now I see :
CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION 65 WARNING
WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm - http://www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

confused

Everything on the planet carries the California Prop65 warning.
Ignore it. It is meaningless.

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:22 pm
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Your amp, just like any other amp from any other company, is loaded with known carcinogens -- from the electrolyte in the filter caps to the adhesives used to affix the tweed (or Tolex) to the cabinet.

Man up and get over it.

Or not.

Either way, WDGAS

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:55 pm
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Why so Aggressive? Thats only a simple Yes/No Question is it Vegan or not? I didn't push you to answer it.
You people laughing,trolling or yelling at me and make fun of me you think its funny?If I knew or could find the answer wouldn't ask hier.Nobody can think about other one and help a lonely person who may has no one. At least help with this easy way Internet with only a yes or no or say nothing at least.Everybody waiting to find something to laugh or make memes of otheres thats not funny.I wish I could go back in time between 50s to 90s there wasn't Internet in public but Rock and roll instead. Society was trying more to make peace and help people instead of find something to just laugh at people like who hurt in accidents, mentally ill people or who has disabilities on Internet and no one has real friends.First I thought Internet can help people and everything will be easier but it goes more and more complicated they cant communicate normally anymore.

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Nebel wrote:
And what about blues Deluxe reissue? It says molded rubber "DogBone" is that mean rubber mixed with dogbone or its only the name of its style?

Seriously?

Ya... It's made from genuine Canadian Tire rubber trees impregnated with poodle bone taken from Pfizer animal testing labs.

Please go find another forum to troll.


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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:35 pm
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Nebel wrote:
Why so Aggressive? Thats only a simple Yes/No Question is it Vegan or not? I didn't push you to answer it.
You people laughing,trolling or yelling at me and make fun of me you think its funny?If I knew or could find the answer wouldn't ask hier.Nobody can't think about other person and help a lonely person who may has no one. At least help with this easy way Internet with only a yes or no or say nothing at least.Everybody waiting to find something to laugh or make memes of otheres thats not funny.I wish I could go back in time between 50s to 90s there wasn't Internet in public but Rock and roll. Society looked more to peace and help people instead of every day finding to laugh at people who hurt in accidents, mentally ill people or who has disabilities on Internet and no one has real friends.First I thought Internet can help people and everything will be easy but it goes more and more complicated they cant communicate normally anymore.

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Nebel wrote:
And what about blues Deluxe reissue? It says molded rubber "DogBone" is that mean rubber mixed with dogbone or its only the name of its style?

Seriously?

Ya... It's made from genuine Canadian Tire rubber trees impregnated with poodle bone taken from Pfizer animal testing labs.

Please go find another forum to troll.


I do not think anyone is being aggressive or yelling at you. They are poking some good natured fun.
Perhaps it went over the line, and clearly English is not your first language. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you are vegan, that is a personal choice, and there is nothing wrong with that either. Many people fought and died in wars so people in this country could make that choice. I doubt that you will convince people here to change.

Yes, the handle on a lacquered tweed Blues Jr. is leather.

A "dogbone" handle does not contain dog bones, it only refers to the shape of the handle.

Perhaps you might post in the "Introductions" sub-forum, and let us know some basic info about you, like what guitar you have, what country you live in, what your native language is, etc.

Tolex is a vinyl based product, neoprene is a synthetic rubber.

Like TimsAudio stated, there is no assurance that no animal products were used to produce whatever amp (not just Fender) you are thinking about buying. Possibly the glue used to attach the Tolex to the cabinet wood contains animal products.

Generally speaking, the forum members are friendly and try to help whoever posts on the forum. But they don't tolerate trolls or spammers.

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:41 pm
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The leather handle question was answered.
Yes, the tweed amps have leather handles.
No, you will not find a lacquered tweed (Fender) amp without a leather handle.
No, unless you spend $$$$$ on a Custom Shop model, the amp coverings are not leather. They are synthetic materials, generally vinyl of some kind, or fabric (tweed.)

The "Dogbone" handle question was just silly and is what makes you look like you are trolling the forum.
Yes, it refers to the shape, and yes, they may be OK for something the size of a Blues Jr, but it's only a matter of time until they fail and you drop your amp. Most owners replace them with either a reinforced neoprene strap... or a sewn leather handle.

Likewise, the California Prop65 thing is simply California political stupidity.
They put a measure on the ballot that was presented as a way to warn consumers about potentially dangerous products. The idiots in the state voted for it, even though California has no scientific review board or published standards that determine levels that actually pose a risk.
Now, you can not walk into a building or buy a product in California that does not have that label, because the Federal and even EU standards for "safe" levels of carcinogens are ignored by the California government, and ANY detectable levels of even suspected carcinogens in any of the materials, even if they are encapsulated, requires the label.
That label is the perfect example of "the boy who cried wolf"... a product that contains one drop of lead-free solder carries the same warning label that a radioactive smoke detector or bottle of paint thinner carries.
A product may be perfectly safe to eat, and still carry the label. It's a complete joke, and it has resulted in many chemical products no longer being available in California because the manufacturers do not feel it is worth it to pay California to rule on whether or not they need the label, and change their packaging.
It's a bit of a joke... you can go on the Ballistol web site and they won't sell their T-Shirts to customers in California (but you can buy their cleaning product)

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:05 am
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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:23 am
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Nebel wrote:
Thats only a simple Yes/No Question is it Vegan or not?

hey Nebel (Nevin?), all joking aside:
TimsAudio wrote:
There are no animal parts used as far as I know. You cannot be sure that no animals were harmed to produce the amplifier.
The major impacts of electronic production have both enviromental and geo-political consequences that affect us all.
Refining metals for electronics requires digging up vast quantities of Mother Earth to gain tiny amounts of pure materials. Huge amounts of carbon emissions are created to dig, transport, and heat the ores for refining. The chemicals for refining and the waste products are dangerous and carcinogenic. Wars in Africa are endemic around the sources of the raw materials.
So I hope your stomach feels better.

The fact is something like a guitar amp is made of various materials that are harvested various ways in various places. Pretty decent chance some fish or bugs were killed in the process, you know? 100% consensus seems to be "no actual animal parts inside the box" but as a vegan I'm sure you are aware, it's not just about the actual products. Look into the story of DuPont (1802–2017).

What more do you need to know? Guitar amps are not particularly "good" for the environment and the animals that inhabit the planet. You could always sing instead (long as you don't use a mic or PA).


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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:43 am
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CB91710 wrote:
A product may be perfectly safe to eat, and still carry the label. It's a complete joke, and it has resulted in many chemical products no longer being available in California because the manufacturers do not feel it is worth it to pay California to rule on whether or not they need the label, and change their packaging.


A perfect example of the "nanny state", the paradigm of which the EU's lemmings are all too eager to follow. The upshot? Companies that build perfectly safe products under normal conditions of use are compelled to drop their knickers and kowtow to plutocrats who know nothing about anything other than the fact that they have a pencil and a clipboard and are bound to leave their mark on society regardless of the impact on same.

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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:22 am
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Every Deer that a hunter kills with his Bow or Gun, is one less Deer I have to worry about hitting with my car. God bless the Deer hunters here in the Midwest region of the United States of America.
There are way too many Deer here. We have to control the population.


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Post subject: Re: Is it leather or not (vegan)?
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:38 pm
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Word!

I just traveled across MO, and there was a dead deer seemingly every 50 feet along the highway across the whole state.

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